Community Showcase: Leigh Ann Morgan

Luis Malbas  
Hello, everybody. Welcome to the training, learning and development community. Thanks for joining us today. Happy Tuesday to all of you out there. Yes, we are starting another week at a holiday yesterday. And here we go with a new community members showcase. And with somebody that we have actually talked to before in these showcases Leann Morgan, who the hand you had last time, we got to know just more some of the basics about you and talked about your career. I remember it was it was kind of fascinating. You have an interesting story. You had a whole other career prior to l&d, right? Yep.

Leigh Ann Morgan  
I did. I actually started out, and Nutrition and Dietetics. I've master's degree in in nutrition. And I ended up teaching at a University in Pennsylvania, where I'm in West, I'm in western Pennsylvania. So I started teaching there. And then after some time, and some move, moving with family and this and that I came back, and the position was no longer available. So I thought, Okay, what do I do now? And I loved teaching. I loved education. I never really was in the clinical aspect of nutrition. So I wanted to stay in that l&d world. So I ended up getting a second master's degree in instructional design and technology. So I had a previous career teaching nutrition. And I also was an educator for Paul Mitchell, hair company, because I also have a license in cosmetology. So I ended up being a trainer slash instructor for them, as well. Wow.

Luis Malbas  
Yeah, I knew it. I knew it was something to do with all of that stuff. Because I thought it was fascinating that you made that switch. And, and, and actually, your background isn't one that is typical, like for a lot of the l&d folks that that I interview, a lot of times, I might see a you know, backgrounds in, say like English, right? Like Kim, who's in the audience was a technical writer or still is a technical writer. And then I don't know, Cindy, I know you've been at Belkin for 20 plus years, but before that, I know you were in sales. So but, you know, nutrition dietician cosmetology. That one's not typical.

Leigh Ann Morgan  
I know, I know. I just loved everything, you know, learning and l&d the whole thing, and I needed to stay in and kms which university Indiana University of Pennsylvania. Okay. So it's kind of north of Pittsburgh? I don't know. We're going to Pittsburgh. Awesome.

Luis Malbas  
Excellent. So. So where did you like, what was the whole thing about instructional design? Where did you hear about it? I mean, that since that is I know, you said you love teaching and all that. But right? How did that pop into?

Leigh Ann Morgan  
How did I make that. So I went I received my first master's in the at IUP. at Indiana University of Pennsylvania. So in, that's where I was teaching and I had moved away. And so when I came back, and I was looking for something to kind of stay along those lines and stay in learning and stay in education, I went to actually see a graduate school advisor. And I sat down with her and said, Here's what I'm interested in. And because I was looking at their catalog, I was local to the university actually live right off of campus. So in part of the residential community of IUP. And I said, Well, I'm going to make an appointment with her. And I went and sat down with her. And I said, here's what I'm interested in. And she said, I have the perfect transition for you. And we started talking about it, she was the program coordinator and still is. And she, we talked through it, and I said, I want in that program. So that's how it started. It's just a matter of I was just doing some research to see what the university did have to offer as far as additional graduate programs that I could apply some of that, you know, teaching and instructing that I had been doing and I found instructional design. I went you ended up finishing in got a master's in that,

Luis Malbas  
you know, that is also something that I haven't heard much of, you know, someone a guidance counselor or career counselor recommending instructional design to somebody that that isn't typical. So that's great that that that opportunity was kind of shown to you. That's awesome. And then so what happened directly after that, like you became an you know, you started studying, yes, job as an ID. What?

Leigh Ann Morgan  
So two years program, of course, about a year and a half in. I did an internship at Westinghouse, which is, you know, a huge global corporate opportunity that I had loved that I decided that I was going to start applying for jobs about six months, pre graduation, and I was looking in the Philadelphia area, I was actually going to move across the state. There was a lot of opportunity at that time for IDs, and so I was getting a lot of interviews, and I ended up after so many just deciding on the one that I did take, which I'm no longer there, but I took it because before it was actually, I guess a thing before COVID, it was fully remote. So I was like, This sounds fantastic. So I ended up, you know, moving to Philadelphia, from Pittsburgh, I got into a corporate job as a remote instructional designer. And then from there, I am now in my current role with a different company. So I've been in corporate now on the side, I have done some work during COVID, I did some consulting for some universities. And so I did help them put there in person learning, you know, online. So helping with that, I've also worked with a few professors who were trying to get some courses up and running, not related to the university a bit more on their own, to some course offerings in their specific niche. And so I helped them, you know, get that organized and get that up on the, you know, LMS for them. So I've been doing a little bit in higher ed on the side from time to time. But I truly liked corporate and in that world.

Luis Malbas  
And you know, I knew because you had spoken at one of our events, I believe, too, we talked about

Leigh Ann Morgan  
level up. Yep.

Luis Malbas  
And I knew that you like to use tools, and that was something that you kind of would geek out and I did not know that you you know what, like, basically hat we're an expert at, like, say infographics because we talk about that at learning solutions.

Leigh Ann Morgan  
I did, I had the opportunity to be in Florida in the spring to talk about infographics at the Learning Solutions conference, which was fantastic. Did

Luis Malbas  
you go through the whole submission process? And I did, yeah. Went

Leigh Ann Morgan  
through the submission process. And then, you know, received that that email that said, no, yes. Why, you know, we're gonna, you're gonna be speaking and I was thrilled, but beyond believed to coworkers got to attend with me. So that was fantastic to have that support system there. And now I was, you know, wish I would have been able to have more fun because I was a little bit of the, you know, that nervous Nellie with them and constantly wanting to talk and prep about with the, with the session, but it was a fantastic time. And so from that, right directly, as soon as the session was over, I was approached and asked if I would do another conference in the fall, which I just did in September for the data visualization with the learning goal. And then I talked about infographics and how we can incorporate our data into infographics so that it's more easily digestible for the

Luis Malbas  
Orlando conference, what was this? What was your session title and topic? Learning

Leigh Ann Morgan  
visualize? And I can't remember the total title but basically, you know, how to utilize infographics for for learning to make some compelling statements. I don't think I don't know that if it's gone on the wayside a little bit. We don't really talk about it too much anymore that I've seen and I think it's a great tool. I mean, we're training is not necessary. Infographics, you know, you just have more knowledge transfer and information transfer something that you want to get out. I love all things visual design. So sorry,

Luis Malbas  
don't my my Alexa thing is going up, but I can Oh, there it is there. Sorry. That's embarrassing. That's okay.

Leigh Ann Morgan  
That's too funny.

Luis Malbas  
I know this time of day, I have all these alarms go off because I have to pick up my son from school and all that. All right. Back to Back where you're talking about I'm sorry. No,

Leigh Ann Morgan  
no, no problem. I just the visual aspect. I love visual design and especially, you know, what an impact it can make. So infographics is just kind of a no brainer for me and something I've just always loved. When I was actually teaching at the university, I was I gave presentations on infographics. So way back when and even before I got into instructional design as a career, that was just something that I always loved because I just

Luis Malbas  
have any kind of design background whatsoever, like graphic design. I don't

Leigh Ann Morgan  
and it's just this is what I you know, kind of passionate about it. So anytime I am in my free time I'm calling stantly You know, podcasts, books, anything and get my hands on about visual design and graphic design. So learning all I can. That's through the years, I've just tried to, you know, keep developing that skill. And it's just my brother's an artist. So maybe that's where it came from, but always just seeing his art and just appreciating art in general.

Luis Malbas  
So, can I ask you some questions about, about infographics, I have some that I that I jotted down here a little? How about what have you learned, like fundamental principles, like a lot of the folks that listen to, to the TLD casts might just be, you know, beginner graphic design types, you know, that really don't have a handle quite on it, maybe use Canva, that type of thing. But are there if you're somebody that's interested in creating infographics, are there any sort of basic design principles that you should know? You know, it

Leigh Ann Morgan  
always goes back to basic graphic design principles. In general, even when you're designing an elearning course, say, you know, you want to make sure that you have your color, you know, that there's contrast, you want to make sure you're using typography in the correct way. So if you are starting most infographics, and most people, it may be different, but here in the United States, we leave, we read top to bottom and left, right. So you want your infographic to have that same flow. And I would say that the biggest thing is, is tell a story. And it needs to be a visual story. So you know, just for some pointers when I take a look, and let's say that I'm getting, I just did one for the company I work for on our mobile phone policy. And so it was an infographic on kind of taking those key points out of the policy, what has changed and, and putting it into an infographic. And right in the middle of the infographic, you know, was a cellphone. And I had parts of the cell phone that were graphics that were icons, that kind of called out some key bits of information that they need to know say about the policy. So there, you're really wanting to look at the whatever you want to call your attention to first, that's what needs to be the largest, you want to make sure you have enough white space, the colors need to matter. Now, if I did like pink and red, would that has been as say impactful as something more that's more techy, like your grays and your blues. So even just thinking about color, typography, this is something technical, so I'm not going to use a real, you know, flowery cursive type font, I'm going to choose something that looks a little more technical. All these elements have to go into that decision making process when you're doing an infographic very similar to as if you were creating an elearning or anything else. But the biggest thing is, is tell a story, you don't want to just put up a bunch of information and have people randomly having to guess what this is about. And having to dig for it. You want that that flow that left to right, top to bottom flow. What's the story here? What do I need to really take away from this? And then all those visual design elements playing apart?

Luis Malbas  
I'm just really curious, when you when you first start an infographic project? Is it something where you? Do you draw it out? Or do Do you have a tool that you use to start tossing it out? Or what do you do? I

Leigh Ann Morgan  
am old school. So I do I mean pen and paper have always been my favorite thing. Of course, now with the way technology is, and I've been dabbling a lot more, I've been getting a lot more inspiration truly from a lot of AI like you know, you I'll go on even Canva or mid journey, or Dali, or Leonardo and all these sites that are more, or just looking at book covers, right. If you go into a bookstore, you're drawn in because of the cover that you see on the book, not even knowing what's inside yet. So I draw from inspiration just to say I like the way that looked or I liked that color combination, or I liked how that was called out. So I just and then I'll make a collage of the different ideas that I pulled together from things that I found visually inspiring. And then I'll just kind of hash through those on my own and say, Okay, I want to put this here the way they did, but instead I'm going to change it and you know, so there's a lot of different visual sites out there visual that I get a lot of inspiration from as well. What's your tool of

Luis Malbas  
choice for producing these

Leigh Ann Morgan  
Canva I absolutely love Canva it has. I mean, that's the other thing I look at a ton of, you know, watching a ton of YouTube videos, the things that it can do, like I learned something new every day and like you can do that really, you know, I found a really great photo and it had a background color. You know that it wasn't an SVG format. So I had to say, Well, how am I going to change this? I think the background was orange or something. But there's a little like side trick that you don't know that you can actually take that out and add the background color back in that you want. It's just, you know, a little bit of a workaround, but it truly can do everything you want it to do. So.

Luis Malbas  
Yeah, there was. There was actually a recent, I think, comment in our Slack channel where I think it was Rubina was asking whether or not having a Canva subscription was worth it. And I think overwhelmingly everyone's I guess, I'm even surprised because I have one and I use it a lot. I, you know, barely use Photoshop anymore. Maybe just have some specific things here and there. But Canva has taken over pretty much everything and I

Leigh Ann Morgan  
guys in it. Yeah, it's

Luis Malbas  
like, I haven't even begun to start messing around with it. It just seems like so how about your biggest challenge in building infographics? What's something that you run into that is particularly difficult for you? Mmm,

Leigh Ann Morgan  
hmm. Building the infographics probably being able to decide on which way because I'll do actually two or three different styles dials, and then have to decide Well, which one should I go with or so that's the biggest one is not being able to really commit and make that decision because I can see three or four versions in my head. And so it's kind of hard to just like, say, focus, just put your time and effort into one versus four, that kind of thing. So it's because I'll just get lost in the tool and what I want to do with it and have a different idea, and want to display it differently. So I'll hop in and create a new one. And so now I've got, you know, three different infographics for the same exact topic. So I need to learn how to stick to the original plan and Don't divert.

Luis Malbas  
Yeah. Okay. And then so and then you spoke last month on data visualization, you did a virtual conference, what was your? What was your title and topic for that one, it was

Leigh Ann Morgan  
very similar. So whenever I was asked to speak at that one, it was I was asked to kind of use the same messaging that I was using it learning solutions, but you know, incorporating that data element. So I think a lot of times people think with when they're presenting data that we need all these fantastic colors. And, you know, I always call them like the bobblehead Skittles legend where you have to look over there and like, there's 12 different colors and look back and see which one matches in this, like there's a lot going on. And when we look at data, we really actually made the opposite. And we need to tone it down. So when we say gray is your best friend when you're presenting data. So if you want to have say it's a bar chart or a line graph, and you want to display all that, that's great, but gray everything out and only really visualize and show what you're speaking about in that infographic or in that presentation, or however you're presenting it. Instead, people want to call out and have you know, a green line, a blue line, a red line, you're like, which line am I supposed to be looking at? So I say grayed out and put color the line that you want to talk about. So giving those kinds of tips, along with how do we visually display our data in an infographic?

Luis Malbas  
Right, that makes me think about sometimes I run into someone else's spreadsheet, where it seems like every color of color of the rainbow is and this Excel worksheet and you're like, Okay, what exactly am I supposed to look at?

Leigh Ann Morgan  
Yeah, and that's the thing. So it's actually a little bit opposite of what you would do say in an infographic is, you know, data visualization, you just want to make sure that you're really focusing and toning it down when you come to do some charts or whatever form, you know, you're giving your data in. So it's actually the opposite. And then you can incorporate that into an infographic, which a lot of infographics do their data infographics and you have your story, but then they plug in their say pie chart within that so that you can show the data and then you can continue on with the story. But that pie chart needs to just really only show what you're speaking about within that infographic instead of just making it all these brilliant colors just for fun.

Luis Malbas  
I want to ask you a question that is kind of not quite. It's a little bit of a sidetrack but so you presented the you presented a face to face conference over in learning solutions about this topic and then somewhat similar for the virtual one. How different was that?

Leigh Ann Morgan  
Very different. Um, you know, I prefer in person just because you can connect with people. You know, I couldn't see any faces whenever I was presenting virtually. So Oh, you can't really connect. And that's the thing of being able to connect with people read faces, see what their expressions are. That I think says a lot. Now, the other thing, though, is virtually, it's, I would say, a lot less, maybe pressure, because you have a producer, you have somebody running the tech side of things for you monitoring chat for you, taking care of all that. So all you really focus or focused on is the is the presentation, right? So you don't have to really worry about what people are asking, or questioning and all that kind of thing. So there are major differences on how you interact with the audience. In my experience, at least between the two. So I definitely prefer and I think part of that is to is, you know, teaching for so many years in a college setting, it's, you know, you're really looking to see, are they getting it, you know, in their eyes, you can see it in if they're kind of, you know, looking up at the ceiling, or looking down on their phone or whatever, you know, so I like being able to hearing from other people, because in a live session, I want new information. I want other people's thoughts and opinion and feedback. And you can do that when you're presenting in a live conference, you know, somebody can raise their hand and give great insight. And it's like, wow, I learned so much from presenting, when they're giving me back, you know, a lot too. So,

Luis Malbas  
no, that's great. That's great. No, because, um, Katie Ryan is in the audience. And Katie was actually a keynote at one of the live to LDC events that we did a few years ago. So I always sort of, like for me, when I do the virtual events. For TL DC, I really try to bring as much of the live conference feel into it as possible. And that's why it can seem so informal. It's because I want people to raise their hand, constantly and, and be able to be a part of the event, because sometimes chat is just another guest. They had, there's just so much stuff to you know, there's just so much value in the in the chat area. Excellent. Okay, so let me um, get on to the next topic, because we were also going to talk about peer learning, which I think just as somebody who runs a community and trying to create as much value as possible, that is something that is important to me, but um, why don't you define sort of peer learning for us? Well, for me,

Leigh Ann Morgan  
whenever I first start, actually, when we talked a year ago, I think the team existed have three of us, I said, we I remember saying we were a small but mighty team, and that team has grown in the past year. So there are no, I think Liz is on the call, there's probably upwards of eight or nine of us maybe. So in different, you know, different areas. We're a global company, so you know, supporting different areas of the organization. And so what, what I started was every month now we're in going into month three, we call it water, cooler wisdom. And so I host this monthly session with all of the IDs, training specialists, learning development specialists, all of us come together. And we pick a topic. So I sent out a survey when I first started this and said, What does everybody want to talk about as a group? Like what do we want to learn more from each other for and there was a list and they kind of rank them. And so we started and in that, and I'm looking over at my other screen, because I actually pulled one up. So every month I get together a challenge. There's a PDF that nine thanks letters. So there's a PDF that I create that gives a team a team challenge. So similar to kind of like the elearning brothers challenges if you're developing elearning, but not all of it is because we do have some that are more facilitators, trainers. So this is done virtually because we are all over the country. So we get together and we do a challenge. And then we have a bunch of I provide them a bunch of different side links. I'm looking at the one we did to start off was actually something to do with graphic design of color. And so the challenge was a monochromatic color challenge so they could create an elearning a PowerPoint, a story line arise just a couple, you know, slides of anything, and make it a monochromatic palette. So that was our challenge. And then I gave them some tools they can use like color pickers and color palette inspirations. Also who's some people to follow on LinkedIn. Every month. There's a suggestion for a podcast or suggestion for a book on the topic. And then we all I provide This information ahead of time, we jump into the call for an hour or so. And we just kind of pick each other's brains talk about the resources. And then we have, of course, on bubble up, we have our bubble up team folder that we can all say, Hey, if you have additional resources, as you come through, and want to share with the team, we plop them in there. And then that way, we have this continuous resource available. So it's just that constant learning from each other and constant sharing and giving tips, what didn't work, what worked. Here's this new and exciting tool. Some people may not like, it depends on their, you know, they may be you know, that's too much for me, too. But here's a more, you know, basic one that I like to use, and you're like, Well, why didn't I think of that, you know, and it's just a great way to collaborate and share ideas. And like I said, have our challenges, and everybody getting the same challenge. It's kind of neat to see how all the people have come up with something different visually. So I would, you know, there were a couple PowerPoints that came across recently, and I was like, I would have never thought of that. And I'm really into PowerPoint, too. So it's one of my other passions is giving really good presentations visually. And I was like, Wow, I wonder how she did that. I'm gonna, you know, so it's just constant constant learning from each other and just having a nerd out session. More than anything? No,

Luis Malbas  
that's great. It sounds like it also establishes some connectivity in your team. Yes,

Leigh Ann Morgan  
yeah, definitely. Because I don't, because I don't get to see a lot of them. You know, I'm in western Pennsylvania, some are in eastern Pennsylvania, summer in Texas. There. So it's, we're all over the place. So I don't get to really talk to them as much as I would like to. So it's nice to get together once a month and just, you know, nerd out together, share some great tips, tricks, tools, books, podcasts, whatever we want to talk about within. But we do do a topic each month. So

Luis Malbas  
nice. All right. Well, I wanted to sort of wrap up with the last topic we're going to talk about, which is you emailed me, and you had a really great idea for a virtual conference. And I you know, would love the audience had any opinions on this, but a virtual event on visual design and elearning.

Leigh Ann Morgan  
Yes. So I would love though to if people would, and what I mean by that is really getting down into when you're creating elearning like talking about graphic design things like you know, have a session on strictly color theory, having a session on typography, having a session on and really getting into, and this is for instructional designers, right? We're not some of us maybe have graphic design background, but basically a visual design for elearning conference for gone designers, instructional designers, and really being able to get down to that information with color and typography and buttons and animation anything that we visually telling a story visually. Is that going to be something people would be interested in. Oh

Luis Malbas  
man, great idea. Katie, Katie saying he also used the use of icon iconography and psychology of design and learning. Yes, yeah. I think that's a really, really interesting. Yeah, I'm not, I am totally down for that. I know that next month, I have one in the works, that is for Talent Development. And then after that, we're gonna do another transitioning teacher event, but we'll see if we can squeeze this one in because I think that it'd be really, really valuable and I do think that a tool like Canva was becoming so prominent in our space because you know, it was Adobe Illustrator and in Photoshop were not quite as accessible to regular people. You know, you don't set it up and you're like, the whole idea of like, layers and masks and all that stuff was just, it was a lot. Now Canva kind of lets everybody jump in there. And, and I think that, that we, you know, there is a lot of information to be to be to be shared out there. How about your somebody that stays, you know, that is building elearning right now, but with graphics and but what kind of trends are you seeing in eLearning at this point,

Leigh Ann Morgan  
um, you know, it's back to a lot of back to basics with flat design. That was back I remember seeing that back in like 2015 or something it was that kind of was becoming popular. A lot of monochromatic toning down, you know, colors and just using the tints and shades from one particular color. I'm seeing a lot of that It isometric, I'm seeing a lot of just a lot, I think what the problem is, and this is what I like to kind of think about, and this is why I go to all these different visual inspiration sites, as I like to call them is all of our a lot of our E learning is looking exactly the same. We're all kind of using the same, you know, graphics, we're using the same stock photos, we're using the same, and this is why I love that, you know, some of these, you know, mid journey and Dolly and all these, you can prompt it to be specific to what you want the style you want. And it can make it very unique, because it's now going to be where you've seen one, you've kind of seen them all with the graphics and the sound. So I think that that's another kind of topic that, you know, how can we make it more unique and more visually engaging? Because let's face it, if I'm taking a training of using, I don't know, you pick it, but I'm seeing stuff from like clipart, from 1980. You lost me, you know what I mean? Even though it could be the visuals are highly important, I think, in elearning. So I'd like to see some just kind of off the beaten path things a little bit. Okay,

Luis Malbas  
I'm going to, I'll start working on this on this new conference, and then I'm probably going to hit you up and ask for your advice for lots of it. And so, I would love that. Thank you for doing that. Thank you for inspiring it. I have one last question for you. That I'm sort of just curious. When you when in your previous career, when you were, you know, with cosmetology, cosmetology and health and all of that, yeah. If you could talk to yourself back then, and give yourself a piece of advice when you were going through that career transition? What would it be?

Leigh Ann Morgan  
Um, I think what it was, is I was very in all of them, I was afraid of, like, Can I do this? Or am I going to be, you know, even just learning, say, different color techniques for hair or cutting techniques, or learning different aspects of Clinical Nutrition and having to, you know, consult with a patient on this, or whatever it may be, if you've never done it before, you know, what you don't know, you don't know, as far as it right out of the gate. And so I always like to kind of tell myself that growth mindset type of way of thinking that I can't I can't do this, instead of saying I can't do this, or I'm afraid to do this, or and I can't do this yet. And that would be my advice is with time with effort with dedication, you will be able to do it. Don't right out of the transition or right out of the gate think that you have to be this, you know, superstar or be knowing all I would say I can't do this yet, but I will. And so instead of just saying, Well, I can't do this or becoming very overwhelmed. Don't let that happen to you. And that word yet in there at the end, and that one little word is can make a huge difference.

Luis Malbas  
That's great. That is great advice. And thank you so much for that. I am wondering, I mean, were you when you were like speaking in Orlando, were you? Did you ever find yourself like pondering that, like really surprised that you were there? Like, second room getting ready to talk? Yes.

Leigh Ann Morgan  
And I thought, well, you know, this is what, you know, I always said to myself, that that's what I wanted to do. And I set out to try it. And I submitted you know, probably every year for three, four years, to DevLearn and to learning solutions. And then I was like, Well, you know, when you get that rejection email, you're like, Okay, I'm not going to quit. And I'm not going to do it again. Next year. I'll put in another one. And I'll make it better. And I will do whatever I can to improve on it. Because I am not gonna say I can't do it. I'm gonna say when it's gonna happen, and it happened. So yeah, but when you're there, it's also I actually wore a skirt. That was an infographic. I found it on this website. It was like, literally 15 bucks. I think it was. I can't remember the name of the red bubble or read down. I can't remember it. But it was a skirt. That was just an infographic about pie. It was so cool. So I when I go, I'm all in. So it's one of those things where, yeah, I was nervous, but, you know, I just kept telling myself, well, no, you're gonna you're gonna put in a proposal until it gets picked. And it could be 20 years from now and I'll be you know, 100 years old but I'll Still, I'll still be trying.

Luis Malbas  
Man, that is so impressive. That's amazing. That is a great story. It's so good to talk to you. I really appreciate it. I'm sure we'll be talking again, at some point soon. We'll start building some of this stuff out. And thanks for taking the time to share with us today. Absolutely. No, all right. All right, everybody. Thanks, everyone, for joining us. And with that, I'm going to wrapping things up. Don't forget, let's see, the next event for TL DC is available for you to register. Let me post a link to it. It's crazy. It's the Dungeons and Dragons instructional design, one that I have been really obsessing about. So let me grab the link. I'm just going to post it in the chat here for everyone. In case you want to sign up, I think it is going to be really, really interesting and nerdy and fun. And it is free. I think that you're gonna have to check it out. Are we going to be wearing costumes when we do this? Yes. So then it is right before Halloween. There's a lot of really interesting stuff going on. We are nerding out on this. So take a look at that. And hopefully we'll see you at that one. And with that, I'm going to go ahead. Oh, that's great. Give thanks for posting that link. I'm gonna have to look at that. Thanks, everyone for being here. And we'll see you next time.

Unknown Speaker  
All right. Thank you. Bye.