Webinar and Hybrid Learning Tech Setups with Mike Peacock

Luis Malbas  
Good morning, everybody. Welcome to the training, learning and development community. It's Wednesday, Happy Wednesday to everybody out there. And we have a nice group of people that are already in Christiana, of course. Thank you for joining us this morning. I want globey Voss, Melissa, Lisa, thanks for joining us this morning Katrina, Melissa, who had Brendan Chen. Michelle Shea. Welcome to our broadcast this morning. Nice to have you guys here in the group. So we're gonna geek out today. This is exciting for me because this isn't a typical TLD C or TLD cast, where we get to talk a little bit about hardware talk a little bit about software, we're talking about webinar and hybrid learning tech setups, which is very interesting to me and I'm excited that Mike peacock is here to to lead this one might pick up from aristocrat vs. Cat gaming. And so yeah, Mike what what do we what exactly are we doing here? What are we trying to solve? What's the problem we're solving with this one?

Mike Peacock  
Well, I think um, well first of all, thank you for having me back on appreciate it love being here. Um, I think one of the issues I think we're seeing nowadays is we've done a lot of webinars for the last year and a half and so now we're slowly moving people into the classroom, but having people on zoom because we're seeing it's constant to have people out there so sometimes we're running into tech issues to get the best of both worlds. And if we are in to the webinar, we're still going the webinar route we kind of you know, we're probably a little bored with it and want to enhance it and make it better for the learners. So let's talk tech

Luis Malbas  
let's talk back and let's see these things again a little bit of an echo but I'm not I'm not hearing any echo on this end so maybe double check and make sure you're not like you've got a second browser something open but yeah I'm really I'm because you know, you never know maybe this is something that I can even integrate integrate into TLD casts, I love these hybrid sort of setups. So let's get into it. Let me hear about like, why you built this thing first or setting this up?

Mike Peacock  
Well, we had a need where aristocrat gaming we make slot machines out here in Las Vegas. So we train our technicians on the games themselves the cabinets, but also the software side and so they prior to COVID they would come into the training facility get their hands on it, tear it apart really getting really getting into the cabinet and the technology so with COVID going you know went to zoom they couldn't see the cabinet and they couldn't experience it so thinking Alright, how can we get them to really still get get that experience you know, without shipping a cabinet to their house, which is kind of costly. So we came up with a series of cameras and audio and we'd kind of I have a background in audio engineering and then video filming, editing and running live shows so I'm like Alright, let's treat it like a live show. And let's get multiple cameras let's get multiple microphones let's let's really produce this up. And so that's how it kind of started

Luis Malbas  
nice I love it all right let's let's let's get dirty with this now I want to hear more. I'm gonna like focus the screen on you and let you take it away and I'll be like sort of in the in the little box here ready to pounce on you with questions.

Mike Peacock  
Appreciate it. Um, I think one of the big things with anything with the webinars nowadays is whether it's both a on zoom or a hybrid is the first tool that you need if you can is a producer to have someone in the background looking at the chat maybe if there's if you're going from a camera to from a PowerPoint to a camera back to a PowerPoint, pulling up a document watching a video. It's always nice to have somebody in the background doing that it not relying that on the trainer. Let the trainer speak let the trainer do what the trainer does and have someone support the trainer in that aspect and we find that when we do multiple cameras and stuff with our training producer is essential to be switching back and forth from cameras and and then again monitoring the chat answering any questions that type of stuff. So that's probably the number one tool if you can get one if you can find someone

Luis Malbas  
let me ask you this real quick. Let me ask you this Mike. What what kind of like if what qualifies somebody as a producer.

Mike Peacock  
someone that understands the software like the zoo. Team Skype whatever platform that you're on that can you know type real quick and knows knows the setup of what's going on with the with the icon the performance the show the training and can knows how to switch back and forth how to cue up music and again this is practice working with the trainer as well prior to the training of timing just like a performance Think of this as a performance you work with the band you work with the you go through RUN RUN throughs and stuff and the better you know, the better you can switch the better you're comfortable with it and anyone can do this and you build up confidence along the way is it's extremely valuable to the performance to the training and so the learners you know they're not waiting for something to load they're not waiting while the trainer's try to find a button because he is across the room now you have to go back over here so you have someone that's just on it and just keeps it flowing. And anyone that knows anything about cameras and audio and stuff are just a blessing a lot of YouTube videos on that but I think anyone if they want to step into that role the first thing is get to know the gear and run throughs make sure you know that that that training very very fluid

Luis Malbas  
love it yeah Joe cook is saying she agrees with Mike anyone can learn in their different roles within production

Mike Peacock  
correct correct absolutely yeah um some of the other things that we started doing with hardware was so we were using the zoom camera and everything but we want to get really really into the cabinets that we were doing and and showing the different components of it so what we started to do is I started playing around with Alright, how can I hook up a camera an external camera so my first thought as most people would would be okay, how can I use my iPhone or my my phone they're on a 4g or 4k, I can really get some really good shots with that. So with the software there's no you have to log into the platform via your cell phone. And so now you are a separate camera and so the producer can pin you in certain platforms and and can use that as a camera in the presentation in the training, but you have to log in as a as someone that's attending the class and so we thought we did that. In the beginning we used our cell phones one of the things I would recommend if you are going to use your cell phone is to get yourself a gimbal I don't know if Lucy ever used the gimbal but I love these things the three axis gimbal and your iPhone goes in here you turn it on and it remains steady you can walk around run around jump around and your cell phone will just be consistently steady done many funny shootings of footage with this were walking down a hallway or upstairs and there's no vibration. So get it get invest in a good gimbal if you're going to go that route and it will save your viewers from like you know The Blair Witch or Cloverfield or any of those movies that were shot on a camera in motion. And or tripod. Get a get a good tripod for the for your camera. What kind of what kind

Luis Malbas  
of, what kind of gimbal Did you have there?

Mike Peacock  
Oh, this one's awesome. This is my third one I've gone through because I could never find one that I really liked. And this is from it's called free vision. I got it from on Amazon a couple 100 bucks and you it's chargeable if you charge it and they turn it on and it's just a three axis gimbal you can turn your cell phone, landscape or portrait and then you can just run around the room you can you can use your phone do close ups and all that stuff just like you would with a phone it's a lot easier to hold than your than your phone because your arms start to get shaky. So it's really really really good word of word of wisdom there yet

Luis Malbas  
yeah, I have a DJI one Okay, I'm still trying to learn how to use it but yeah it's really neat yeah there's a there's there's a little bit of a learning curve with you're learning how to use these things. Yeah, but I did use them for like some promos for my band to like you know, just to do some band promos and oh, yeah, really, really well. So 100 bucks of Best Buy you guys um, you know, so that's, that's something to, to, to consider if you want to do this. Now. Like so. With with if you're filming, like say in a cabinet, were you setting up a tripod so that the, the cell phone was just pointing like sort of like a static situation where it was just like pointing within the cabinet the entire time?

Mike Peacock  
We did start that way we did. I bought a clip that you that will mount on any stand Cameras stand and they can just put your cell phone in it. So we were Yeah, way too much stuff. Um And so yeah, we were doing that in the beginning, but then we're, as my trainer was moving from here to here to here to here, it was a lot, it was a little bit challenging to, you know, take the phone off, and it would vibrate. So I like it, it's got to be a better way. So I went through three gimbels and I can see in the chat people are having gimbal issues. Yeah, that's why I have three because I one of them didn't work. And Chris, you on next time you're off a boat and on land, I'll I'll take a look at your gimbal. But yeah, that's why I was on my third one, because I just couldn't find a good one that worked. And I really, really like this one. So that's where the gimbal came in. And if you are just a little FYI, a little tip of the day, peacock pointer is if you are using your cell phone, please turn off your notifications, because anything that pops up on your phone will be seen by everyone in the session. So just a little life lesson.

Luis Malbas  
Nice. Very good. Yeah, no, it's it's funny how often I see that in, you know, just even on basic videos, clips on online, just people showing, like, if they're filming something, and all of a sudden a little notification, yeah.

Mike Peacock  
Yeah, never know what's gonna pop up on your phone. Right? Right.

Luis Malbas  
Cool. So that's generally in these situations, is your producer operating the gimbal? Are you operating the gimbal?

Mike Peacock  
As the producer, I would be operating the gimbal. Okay, now again, if I can get a producer to be on the on the computer, and then myself operating the camera, if we have three people, that would be awesome. And sometimes we have embarrassing? Yeah, um, sometimes sometimes we do if we only have two, two persons for that training, then I'll be on the camera. And then I'll also be kind of monitoring the chat and making sure everyone's seeing correctly what's what's going on, which led me into my next thought, alright, there's got to be a better way. I don't want to use my phone anymore. I want to go directly into the the zoom session, or the team session or whatever. I don't want to be a third party outside. And so what are things like alright, how do I get a camera into zoom. So if you look at a camera, any kind of like camcorder, or anything like that, the cable that comes with it is a mini HDMI to HDMI. There we go, there's the shot. So if you first thought was like, Hey, I'll just run this into my computer, well, HDMI is out, it's not meant to go in. So that's that's not going to work. So and also in the platforms when you're going to your video settings. The video settings do not recognize HDMI, so they only recognize a USB. So this is the secret tool right here. It's called the cam link, which converts HDMI to USB. So I can put this on any camcorder and then run it right into the computer. And now my camcorder is the camera for zoom. And it is awesome. I love this one this is a 4k even if you don't have a 4k camera, I would invest in the 4k, it's a little expensive, as 120 ish or something. But it is well worth it. If you want to go that route. So then I can run my camcorder into the zoom session itself. And again did the same thing I had it on a tripod, I can go mobile with it I have this is called a shoe, which is where you can connect any lights or microphones or anything. And then so that way I could go mobile with it. And then you know, put it back on the tripod and stuff. So that was my next endeavor was actually using a real camcorder. And the clarity was better the it was easier to use. And so is it just made for a better training environment?

Luis Malbas  
Alright, so I got a bunch of questions in my head, but I got some good ones in here. I would like to get past before we we go any further. Jackie Regan is asking, Do you have an actual visual of technical and class setup? And we are talking about some people in person some live online, right? Sure. Am I incorrect? And assuming what you were defining is hybrid. So let's get that one out of the way. We're talking about people, some people in person and some in life live online, right? When we're talking about the hybrid situation, yes,

Mike Peacock  
yes, yes. For us. Yeah. So I do have a setup. I do have setups that I that I use. Were actually advancing now into multiple cameras. So I have a splitter over here. So now I can run three cameras in and it's on a remote. So the trick with again, pretty duction is I never want to see this evolve from the iPhone to single camera. So I was doing a wide shot and then go back and then wide shot and go back, and it got a little dizzy. So I don't want to do that in real production. Like if you watch football or anything, you don't see the cameras going in and out, they just go to a different camera. So I have a one camera set up in the room as wide. And then I'll have a mobile camera that I go in for my close up so you'll have the wide shot. And then if I'm going in to see something, I will take myself go in go to camera to now you see the close up shot, now I need to go back I go camera one goes back to the wide shot, and then I move so you never see the camera move anymore. So we can do up to about three cameras, I mean, have an overview, maybe one underneath. And so even in the hybrid, this is great, because again, people online want to see what's going on in the classroom. While there's people there, they want to see the people. So you get a nice wide shot of the of the class. And you can see people interacting you can it's you get that more connection feel than just zoom. So you can have a camera up front facing side view maybe of the instructor and the audience or the classmates. And that way you can see them they can they can look directly at you. And but you have multiple cameras and you just switch between them.

Luis Malbas  
So if you were in a zoom environment, do you just leave those cameras on all the time, so people can like control what they what they're going to want to look at within zoom.

Mike Peacock  
Now I can control it. They can't control it yet, if I did with iPhones, you can because if I had say three iPhones up, and I had them positioned in different places, then you could see all three cameras in the zoom session. And you could pin or or enhance which view you wanted to see. So we could technically do it. But we need to have each camera, input it into the session not connected to the session with a cable.

Luis Malbas  
Nice. Okay, and Joe Joe cook has a nice sort of devil's advocate question here. Should we even be entertaining the idea of hybrid? Will one party not have a worse time than the other?

Mike Peacock  
I don't know. It all depends how interactive your classes are. I don't know i think i think you know some people are don't want to go in the office, some people can't go in the office. And I think for them to get the experience. It's a little bit better, I think using multiple cameras and multiple technology than just sitting and watching the webinar. Because the people in you almost get jealous of the people in the room that are they're experiencing and touching and feeling and looking directly at it close up and you got this really big webinar camera back here. So I think with the with the extended camera, or multiple cameras, you feel like you're part you're looking in at what everybody else is seeing.

Luis Malbas  
I like it and it's it's kind of just you know, it's just I think it's just a for for what we're going through right now with the pandemic and everything. It's just an option. It's an option it

Mike Peacock  
is it's an honor

Luis Malbas  
to get the information out there. Now I'm gonna ask you, Kitt Saul, who I'm sure you've seen around here in Tbilisi land. He is so he has he's really, really great at using this particular technology. I can't remember what it is, but it's this, it's this device that can wirelessly connect to different cameras. And you could actually use an iPad to control what the view is of each one. He actually volunteered for a to DC conference at one time, and he brought his equipment with him he used to work for eBay. And he filmed the, the sessions for me, and he was actually going from one camera to the other just using his iPad. It was such an incredible experience but I don't remember what that device is called. And it seems like something that would probably be really really useful for you. And yes,

Mike Peacock  
I am familiar with it. I can't remember it I'm sure it's in my carts on Sweetwater or something. A lot of other things and they just didn't they email you every day Don't forget to buy this but Yeah, I did. I have seen that it's a Bluetooth device that you can hook into cameras and stuff and then operate everything from an iPad. I used to do that with audio with microphones and stuff on on digital boards. When I would run graduations or shows and stuff I would walk around so that way you can you can just the cues and stuff in like a stadium or room so everyone's getting the same balance of sound. Same thing with cameras, and I would have to look that up. Yeah I'll get back to you on that one.

Luis Malbas  
But yeah, I bring it up because Joe was asking, do you have any experience of zoom in the TV style of production for different views of remote and in person audiences and mixing these live? And I know that's something that console was able to do with this particular device. And I wish he were in here right now, because he would just, he, he, he's incredibly good at some of this stuff. But, but it would be able to sort of replicate that experience of a TV style production thing. I think pushing it out via Livestream, but I'm like, Yeah,

Mike Peacock  
I think it would be really good. I think sometimes in our situations, we move around a lot in the training room, we go from this cabinet to this cabinet, this cabinet. So if I have stationary cameras, I can't use that. So I'd have to be moving them anyway. But I do see his point. And it would be for a high read. If you're just staying in the front and showing slides or maybe a product or something, then something like that would be awesome.

Luis Malbas  
So logistical question here, just so when you're doing these types of training situations, do you just have one producer? Are you using multiple people,

Mike Peacock  
if I can find multiple people, the more the merrier. But it's most of the time, it's myself and the trainer. Ah, okay, so I wear all the hats, I wear, the production hats, I wear the you know, the the operator hats, we do have in one of our trainings, we have a big TV, which we put our zoom onto, so I can just kind of look over my shoulder and see comments. And, you know, so I don't have to run back to the small computer for it. So we use it that way. And our trainers are excellent at jumping in if there's a question, you know, so we do work really, really well together. Okay. Yeah. Nice.

Luis Malbas  
All right, cool. One last question. Let's see that we have in here Sherry is asking what is the most challenging part of a, what is the most challenging part of a hybrid setup,

Mike Peacock  
a hybrid setup, a challenging part of it is, again, kind of asking the production of it because the trainer may be so used to doing breakout rooms and zoom and everything on zoom, now they're changing the format of how they're doing it. So if you've worked with that trainer, and now it's a hybrid class, I highly recommend doing a production run through again, of where people sitting, where will you be presenting? What kind of products? Are we looking at screens? And that fourth? How did you modify it now for that, and help them and direct them as well? Because sometimes they just oh, we just go back to normal? And you're like, Well, you know, no, we still have people on line. So you have to, you know, remember to include them in the class. So as well, as a producer, you're kind of guiding the talent a little bit as all producers to and guide them to where you think would be best.

Luis Malbas  
Nice. Okay, cool. All right. That was the last question.

Mike Peacock  
Appreciate it. But yeah, we use a it's, it's been interesting. It's been a lot of fun. I look forward to the hot, two more hybrid classes. And, and I know we have more people on our team that would like to get into the producing factor. But again, it's just time. And it's in projects, and you know, buisiness and everything. But it does, it's it's something it's it's better than drone. I have a drone. Yes. Thanks, Jerry. Yeah, so I've gotten into drones now, because we do a lot of our equipments getting bigger, and we can't see the top of it. So I bought a drone. So now I'm gonna work my drone into a live class somehow, and, and I have GoPros and everything. So we put, again, produce the whole thing up, because that's what it should be up training should be a production, whether you're live, whether you're in class, whether it's hybrid, whether it's online, it has to be a show, in my opinion, and I was a teacher for 20 years, and all of my classes were a show, as you could probably tell, just get in there and you know, entertain?

Luis Malbas  
So let me um, give me Can you give me just sort of a visual of what say, describe what the last training setup that you use look like sort of, from the classroom perspective, and then like how big your online audience was, how maybe they were looking at what was going on, and then maybe any feedback that you've received from those types of productions? Sure, I'll

Mike Peacock  
give you I'll give you one that that kind of changed everything for us. Um, I don't have a picture Jackie, I kind of just have it all in my head. I write it out the day of I think, because again, everything changes in our world, everything moves around because of the product. But um, so we did one training on some software and hardware of a cabinet and so this is an earlier one and kind of changed, changed everything on how we did it. So we had one camera, and we did, you know, we were supposed to see the cabinet and how to do printers and the internal guts of it. And then we're the software. So the camera moved a lot moved from down here to see this, and then over here to see the screen. And then when we focused in on the screen, we had an old camera, and it didn't pick up the pixels, like, you know, well. So take your iPhone and put up to a screen and see how sharp it is, if you have an old phone, it's not going to be as crisp and clear. And that's what we ran into with the session. That was the feedback we got was like, hey, it was a great training, but we couldn't see the screen, which was you know, two hours of the training. So my my sense already, that wasn't a good training. So that's where the, the, the 4k camera or the iPhone came in, because of the clarity of the screen. And then we decided, Okay, let's use two cameras. So one that say right on the screen, and the other one that was mobile, so they could see the parts, see the trainer and then go right back to the screen. And that's when we started doing the two cameras one. And then we got a third one for the for the view. So it was like alright, so it kind of grew naturally at a feedback from the sessions. Alright, let's try this. Alright, that didn't work, how can we make it better. And so that's what it grew into now is we have a camera, say we're looking at a screen and, and some of the software on there. So we have a screen camera, 4k, at least on that screen, we have another one that's mobile. And then we have another one that's stable in the room. So they can see, you know, the vision of the people that are in there. And what the trainer

Luis Malbas  
nice. So what was the audience the live audience side, the the face to face audience size, when you're doing this and where they gathered around you as you were doing during the training, or were they sitting in seats?

Mike Peacock  
No, I'm one of the last ones we did, it was on a cabinet. And we all we had people gather around it. And so we had about how I'm probably rounding up to let's say 10. And the cabinet only so big thing of a monitor. And so people are crowding around is what we did is we took a camera, and we put it way up, but like say 15 feet or so and then aimed it down got a really nice shot of the screen itself. So now people could step back and look at our big TV of what the trainer was seeing. So you didn't have to be right there, which again, for COVID purposes was you know, we can now have separation. So there was some people around the cabinet. And then there was some people sitting back and looking at it from the screen. And we could have had people come in from zoom as well. So they could see the screen, people in the room could see the screen, they weren't huddled around it. And then we had a second camera for the hardware part of it. So when we went down into the, the button decks and the and all the hardware connections, that second camera, and again, same concept we saw, we showed it in the room, so people didn't have to gather around it, people online could see it, and it wasn't interfering, and people were respectful of the camera. Okay, oh, there's a camera there. So they would you know, back off and, and make room for it. So it was actually it was it was probably one of the best better ones. Because Because of that,

Luis Malbas  
then almost sounds like watching surgery. Yeah, yeah, we're

Mike Peacock  
a big surgery. And you can look down at the cameras in the screens. And, you know, so it was it was it was a it was a good experience. people walked away really, even the people on line knowing you had a really good comfortable feeling of of being familiar with with the product, because

Luis Malbas  
so when you were that what you were showing off was inside, like wiring or working on circuit boards or, you know, that type of thing. Nice. Yes. Yes. And then how about your audience that was watching it online? Like via sort of like in a zoom or webinar situation? Yep. What have you. Can you talk about their experience a little bit?

Mike Peacock  
I think they, um, slot machines are tiny computers. Yes, they are. I think they, I think they really are, are enjoying the multiple cameras, the multiple looks. And even when we get into the hardware, we actually say okay, now with your turn, I'm just your eyes, you tell me what to do. And so now the person on line has to come off camera, or come off microphone and say, Alright, I want you to move this see the gray button, I want you to touch the red button. So we're just basically their eyes, and they have to tell us where to look. So it's almost like a simulation type thing. So we're trying to use it as an interactive as well.

Luis Malbas  
That's awesome. Okay, cool. Very nice. Yeah, we're trying. There's always more toys and so how about this Let's get into some some more specifics audio. What are you using? Just the NAT? Are you? Are you typing in any external audio at all? Are you just using the audio that's in the cameras? How's that working?

Mike Peacock  
So our producer on the all of us will have a wireless microphone. Even our trainer has a wireless microphone. And so a Bluetooth type. So we're all we all have wireless, and we're all running that into the zoom session. So everyone's has their own camera, everyone, everyone is logged in. So if I want to speak I just freely Hey, Dave, we got a question over in chat or, or just just like we're doing here. If someone comes in as a guest, I can put a little Lavalier on him, and then run that into either the computer itself or run it into the camera. So I tend to use the camera as my second audio source. And if I have multiple audio sources, then I'll grab my board. And which is my portable mixing board, I'll run in multiple things into its multiple microphones, and then run that out into the zoom or over into the camera itself.

Luis Malbas  
Wow. So this might not be for the the the tech faint of heart. This

Mike Peacock  
for 20 years. It's just it's kind of like you know, I get to play with toys.

Luis Malbas  
I know what I'm doing hardware geek, you kind of like yeah, let's just make this as crazy as possible.

Mike Peacock  
Exactly. You know, I want people to walk in and go Wow, what's this class about? cables everywhere.

Luis Malbas  
Now I did see console just popped in. And he had a right. Yeah, he messaged me, the actual, the device that he's talking about is called sling studio sling can completely vouch for was an incredible addition to when we did TL dc 19. And he filmed a bunch of the sessions. Now if you remember, and you go back to those conference recordings, just take a look at the ones that are especially smooth and nice. Those were all done by catesol. If you look at the ones that were done by a GoPro, I think you could tell there's a huge difference and production level of sling studio and he used a couple cameras to be able that were set up in different parts of the room. And he was able to use an iPad to like just go back and forth between them did an incredible job. And I'm excited to also see that he mentioned that were a couple other products yellow box and the ateme Mini I think it is that, okay, newer entrants into this market. Okay, at some point I before I do a TLD c 22, or whatever the next live event is going to be, I'm definitely going to invest in something like that, because it's sort of a must have thing and I would love to hear you know, Joe cook, if you you know, are looking into doing these hybrid setups, I think those were would probably be great, great hardware pieces to consider. Yeah, there you go. So it's all the saying sling studio is good for using iPhones as a streaming camera. That's excellent.

Mike Peacock  
Thank you. That's awesome. I look forward to playing. So appreciate it. If I yeah, questions. I'm coming your way. Yeah. All right. christianna. Nice.

Luis Malbas  
So that drone and by sling studio feeling it'll be it'll totally be worth it. It also adds a little bit Mike have you know, like I see these guys like yourself, probably audio engineers that are walking around mixing a band using an iPad?

Mike Peacock  
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. I've, I have a board, I can just put my iPad in and use it. I can use it for live sound. Like I mentioned, you can use it for video. I use it as a teleprompter. So when I'm doing filming TVs or film or something, I can just put up a teleprompter write it on my iPad done. And so iPads are great for in the field in the field work.

Luis Malbas  
Nice. So I'm gonna wrap up pretty soon here. But I got a couple more of my own questions for you when you're building this stuff out. I mean, what is sort of what are you thinking about in terms of like, how the longevity of this type of a setup? Is this something that you expect to be doing? Even after, say the pandemic is over? Is this something that you're going to, to keep within sort of your trading toolbox now going forward for, you know, for, you know, an indefinite amount of time?

Mike Peacock  
I think so i think i think one of the things that we're finding is that, through this pandemic, all the training has has still kept going, and it still has been received very well. And I think due to cost, just cost alone of flying people in from across countries and stuff or across the United States or travel and all that stuff. I just think it's so much easier. I think companies will see all the benefit of expenses that are saved by doing this. So I think we will be my gut tells me that will be shown as like Yes. That we will be doing Hybrid learning for a very long time and I tend to agree. So

Luis Malbas  
is there a skill set that you're, you're sort of seeing in this like something that, you know, if you continue to do this, and you might need to bring in other people that might be able to help you with these hybrid learning situations? I'm sure. You're not the only one out there and is probably doing this is there? Is there anything in particular like that you say, you know, learn x and learn this, learn that this will help you be able to accommodate this, this type of activity? Like, should people just get better at using cameras? or How much do they need to know about audio and all that stuff?

Mike Peacock  
Everything? I'm sorry? I think I think experimenting, playing, what do you have? And how can we use it? And then you'll see the next let's let's try this, let's,

Luis Malbas  
okay, I

Mike Peacock  
like to do this, how can I do that, and then you research it or reach out to anyone in the chat here myself, gladly help. And I think we have to, I think people, and there's a lot of classes on this, and a lot of people have been discussing this is really working on the zoom class itself as a, a real class like you would be there, or they would be there. So activities, I love using the breakout rooms, I saw someone had a really good idea as a breakout room as a escape room. So you go from breakout room to breakout room, but you have to escape from it. And it was really kind of neat. So I think using that, using the technology that we have, whether they're in the class or not, or both, we can work together literally, you know, pairing up a person in the class with someone in our in zoom in a breakout room. So you're connecting the both both the worlds together, why should all the people in the room be together, and all those zoom people be together? That's not fair. So let's blend them together. And I think, you know, playing around with it, because we've been doing this for a while now. So let's let's take it up a notch, you know, let's see what we can we can do, whether it's all hybrid, or whether it's still all virtual, loving people out there, that will help out a lot. So

Luis Malbas  
just, if you're somebody that is just wanting to like figure out, I don't know, like a similar situation where maybe you're training people on a piece of hardware, and you just want to get started doing this. With really basic equipment. Start out with like what, like you were saying earlier tripod, or gimbal, you know, just have that and just log in twice into a zoom type of interface, and just start from there and then expand, like, and as you get better at it, the more

Mike Peacock  
cameras that you have in the people can pick and choose, you can pin it. So if you want one camera to be the main main stream, then you just pin that pin that iPhone camera on there. And that's what they see. And then your producer can go Okay, let's pin this camera. Let's pin this camera. So now you're doing multiple cameras, but you need a producer to actually work that behind the scenes of pinning the different cameras or iPads or what have you to the view of the learner.

Luis Malbas  
I love it. Do you use static images at all? And in any of your training? Would you like this, you know, like, show a JPEG or whatever to sort of Yeah,

Mike Peacock  
oh, I'm showing videos will show videos JPEGs um, we'll go and do a, you know, rise module or whatever, um, you know, anything, and everything should be included in in one of these sessions, in my opinion, because they're all interactive, and they all serve if they serve a purpose for the learning, and for the engagement of the learners. Then I say, try it. It's game game.

Luis Malbas  
All right, Mike. Well, I'm gonna go ahead and just wrap this one up. Thank you so much for sharing. I know you. I want to mention in chat, oops, let me get both of us on here. How do I do that again? Well, I guess I'm not. What I wanted to mention was that Mike and I were talking in the green room, we're talking about microphones. And I'm sure we could talk about cameras. I'm sure we could talk about a bunch of, you know, different hardware types of things. If anybody's interested in that, let me know or go to TLD chat and and post it in in Slack, let us know. And maybe we can you know, we could produce more of these I would Mike and I also geek out on guitars. I mean last time I talked to him we were talking about next guitar next and like because I'm looking for something to match my 57 Les Paul and and he was able to, you know, to he told me about looking at danelectro guitar so we geek out on stuff all the time. We'd love to talk more about you know, more applicable stuff to TL DC. So if you guys are interested in that, let me know. Just DM me and Maybe Mike will be generous enough to share more knowledge with us always. Um, let's see I do want to mention kits all set here I'm blocking my camera but adding a picture as a virtual background and then I pin it. So my camera becomes an impromptu sign during breakouts. Oh, interesting. Yeah, that's a good tip two,

Mike Peacock  
one of the new features in zoom is x, you can actually do a PowerPoint presentation and have that as your background so you could be a little character in the background of a PowerPoint presentation and then move yourself around it.

Luis Malbas  
Nice Ooh, maybe we need to do a do something like that soon. Show that little feature toys, toys, toys. All right, everybody. Thanks so much again for joining us. today. We've got next week I am going on another run of member showcases and of course we've got Lisa Crockett who's in the audience right now and Monique St. Paul talking intersections and learning. She's they've got that series going. So we'll see you guys again soon. Thanks, everybody. And thanks again, Mike.

Mike Peacock  
I thank you. Thank you, everyone. Take care.

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