Intersections in Learning & Development with hosts Lisa Crockett & Monique St Paul with guest Luis Malbas

Monique St Paul  
There we go. Good morning. All. Thank you. My name is Monique St. Paul. And this is Lisa Crockett, hello, our first inaugural webcast of learning, interactions and learning. And we are here with Luis Malbas, who everybody knows as the TL DC creator. So forgive us this morning because he's not actually behind the controls. But Lisa is and this is my first time being so in the future to us. But we figured we'd start off with you know, some of that everyone is comfortable with them sort of the opening question that I have for your chat is what is your favorite thing about the cldc community is put that in there. And while you're doing that, I will let Luis introduce himself. This is Luis Malbas. He's a marketer as well as I, as I mentioned before, the TL DC creator and so I just want to have him introduce himself and go runner.

Luis Malbas  
Yeah, so I am Luis Malbas and founded t LDC back in what is it? 2016. And it's great to see like, I can see Nick floros little icon in there. No, Nick for years. But I've been in the E learning space for I don't know, I guess I started in around 2005. I think it was when I first had officially my first my first job working in l&d. And so I've kind of been around for a while. Now, the thing with me is I'm not necessarily a practitioner, although, I mean, some would say that I am, but I'm not like, I'm not formally trained as an instructional designer or anything like that. I've done a lot of training. And I've definitely created, you know, things that have trained people. But mostly, I have kind of been somebody that organized events and conferences and activities surrounding helping other people with their professional development. And that is what I do with TL dc in the form of a community. And so my formal background is, you know, I've got a degree in an English Lit and liberal arts and, and a bunch of it certificates that are probably no longer valid, because it's been so long. But yeah, I have a technical background and a bunch of other stuff. And I've just been in this space for for a really long time. And I still do professionally like my day job. I work at O'Reilly Media, which if any of you are familiar with them, they have been, Oh, actually, they had the first business website on the internet, the first e commerce website, so and they have a learning platform that I am involved in on a regular basis, but they're focused more on data and AI and programming. You know, next economy, open source, things like that. So I am definitely an l&d professional, I feel but my emphasis isn't as much as on a practitioner side of things more like somebody who markets and, and curates and builds community.

Monique St Paul  
So yes, it does work. And I would certainly say you mentioned personal development. I know already, as I started in this community, about a year ago, you've already done that, and just even working on a web class platform does that And that, to me, screams l&d that you want to help people which takes me to my first question, which is you did mention a little bit training isn't in your day job. But you started TL DC, what made you want to create a community for people who are in this industry?

Luis Malbas  
Well, I guess it was pretty much from in a lot of ways, that was sort of my love of the audience. You know, I mean, there was from a practical perspective, I have a lot of experience with working with building audiences and, and, and, and, and actually helping support communities when I was at the E learning guild or the learning guild as it is now. I that was a lot of my focus was I was always thinking about the the individuals that were a part of the community, the people that would attend conferences, or their online events. That was always top of my mind. But and so when I left there, I was like, Where am I going to go next? What am I gonna do next? I wanted to do something that continued to support that because that was a passion of mine. I found that every time that you know, I would have conversations with my, my old boss and all that I always it always came back around to me wanting say, Well, how, you know, how are they going to feel about, you know, this particular product or this particular, you know, logistical situation at an event, and I didn't want to stop doing that because I found A lot of satisfaction out of that I love helping audiences helping people, period.

Monique St Paul  
No, no, and I see the parallel. If you're a live facilitator, you have to think about what's going on in the room and how comfortable your learner's are and things like that. So running events in general is very similar. So I would say that that is what has been a host, or what is this experience sort of creating events for professionals have taught you about people in general?

Luis Malbas  
Ah, what is this Tom? Well, I would say that, that I didn't realize how incredible Everyone's story is, like, it's given me an opportunity to just get a peek into the lives of just so many different people. And I get a ton of satisfaction out of that, because it really supports the fact that, you know, that people are incredible, like, just, I mean, every member showcase that I've done, it's like, Whoa, crazy, like, this person does this, this, this, they've gone through this, this and this, and here they are. And it really emphasizes the fact that we're all on a journey here, you know, in our careers, and especially within this particular industry, or this, this, this, this path that we're on, and we all have our own unique stories that we're bringing to all of it. But we're definitely together, you know, on this, and that is the one thing with the community that I feel is really important, if you're somebody that is like thinking about getting into l&d, or you're at a certain level, and you're feeling like, I'm just kind of stuck in this room building PDFs, but I want to do something else. You know, if you can tune into some of the stuff that we do, like, every week, you can see like, okay, there's another path. And here's another path. And here's another path. And I love being able to shine a light on that stuff, because you're not alone. And I feel like that's what this community is about as I'm trying to, like, get past the screen and just get to the fact that were, there's just a lot of human beings that are out there and chat and, you know, are attending right now. I that that's important to me, because I feel like especially with social media, and people just anonymously posting whatever here and there and wherever that we forget that, that on the other side of the of the window, we're actual flesh and blood, you know, and that's, that's a big deal for me.

Monique St Paul  
That's great. I, you know, I hear that I immediately am like, yes, 100% I love people, I love talking to them, I will 100% put down my phone, just to stay connected with people. But what I heard in that is that you really care about growth. And so I have two questions, so that the first I'll go for you, which is how do you feel that you grow yourself? What do you do for your own personal development other than helping with this community?

Luis Malbas  
Ah, my own professional development? Well, you know, a lot of a lot of my activity that I love doing is, is I just like to build stuff. And so I am constantly fidgeting and testing things out and trying things out and seeing and making things break. That is I guess I'm kind of a nerd in that way. It you know, I, you, I mean, you guys have seen that I, I sometimes will plug in different little web apps and technology pieces, as long as they work, I have to make sure that they work. But I plug in and a lot of stuff and play around with that. And that is one way that I continue to stay creative with TL DC and also with my own professional development. And honestly, TL DC as an activity is is is is that is my professional development. Like for instance, ai dc 21 with the accessibility event we did a couple of months ago, like that was actually, in a lot of ways, a selfish way of me figuring out like, is this something that I really want to get into? And yeah, it worked out I'm like, Okay, so now we got to figure out Luis, how are you going to like, chase after being better with accessibility and, and, and, and integrating that into your workflows and the things you do so any of you out there start a community and like, that's a great way to learn about stuff and and, you know, I want to do a dei event because I need to know this stuff better. And I feel like a lot of people need to know this stuff. And so I'm just going to be able to share this, this knowledge with with other folks as we get into it. And so, you'll continue to see that that's just sort of a lot of it is me trying to figure out we did a community day on story. And, and I wanted to know more and I wanted to learn from people like Rance Greene and others. And so I built it and you know, And then when I bring in, like, you know, like Lisa to be an advisory board member for an event, that's because I want to learn from her and the ideas that she has. And that's, that's really how all of this works. I actually didn't realize that until you asked me this question.

Monique St Paul  
But I'm glad I asked. I wouldn't say that it's selfish. But if you're helping other people and you're creating an impact, then it certainly isn't selfish. And what Lisa and I talked a little bit about is sort of the six degrees of, you know, Kevin Bacon, and it's sort of for this, it's like six degrees of Luis Malbas is, who are you connected to? Because you did a community showcase. And for me, it's Lisa. I met her on community day. And so that was pretty exciting. And then here we are. And I would say, going back to the growth question is what I know, it can get a little nerve wracking to do or try new things. So what is the snafu that happened while you were alive? And that you think about the most and how you handled it, and how you would change that now that you're more experienced in it?

Luis Malbas  
You know, it's it's funny, there aren't that it's, I've been really lucky, you know, knock on wood about having having issues on during a broadcast. And usually, it's pretty simple for me, and I think it's, I think this is one of my strengths is just keeping a cool head all around. Is, is that if I know that it's just not going to work, I'll call it and say, Okay, we'll just do this next time. And, and that's really how I resolve like issues, but and I wish I could have a better answer for that, like a really, really good story about like, something that went wrong. And, and I wasn't able to fix but I do recall, like, just when I was at the elearning guild one time, where we couldn't we had a keynote speaking at an online event, we couldn't get their audio, right. So I actually had him call in by phone and I connected a microphone, I held a microphone to the phone, and we restreamed it that way. And that was one way that I was able to get through a technical issue. But for the most part with TL DC, it's, um, and I think it's by design. It's really, I can overcome most anything, because it's simple. And it's, I just will, you know, we will reschedule so i don't i Yeah, like, the mistakes don't really happen that often, if ever. And I think it's because we it's so low key, and it's really, really informal. So I don't have an incredible answer for you on that one. No, I

Monique St Paul  
would say what I pulled out of that answer was keep it casual. Don't stress yourself out. And if it's not working, take that moment to pause. And that's, that's okay, and say, Hey, give me a minute, we're gonna come back. And that and I think that that works. The next question I have is to who has had the biggest influence on your career?

Luis Malbas  
Oh, man, you know, it's funny, because I, you know, to be transparent, everybody, these Monique and Lisa did send me these questions. And I was reading them over yesterday. And I started thinking about them last night, and then I couldn't sleep because I was reflecting on them so much. And I even woke up at like four in the morning and continued to reflect on them. And I couldn't really like put anything to this one. And it's sort of like, like, the first person that came to mind. And I guess this is just the nerd in me was I thought about Peter Parker. And then I thought about Bruce Lee. And then. And then I thought about my favorite guitar players. But like, on my actual career, I feel like I haven't, I haven't. I haven't really, I haven't walked a path that is very common. And I, I do look for models out there. But I never find anybody or anything that is really doing sort of, like what I want to do or what my vision of things are. And it's just very unconventional. So I would say that it's the really the people that inspire me on a regular basis are the people that I quietly sort of am lurking and reading, you know, their posts on in TLD chat. And on Twitter, unfortunately, like I do, regularly look at Twitter. And sometimes when I can stand it on LinkedIn, but it's the authentic stories. It's the people when I see the humanity there, that is what guides me. Because that is what is really, really important to me.

Monique St Paul  
Well, I'm here to remove the word career, and I'm going to say bring up Peter Parker and the lead guitarist, what do those influences have on you in general? So I'm going to skip the career. And why did those people come to mind when you thought about that question?

Luis Malbas  
Just doing the right thing, it's always about doing the right thing I actually did have a cousin I have a cousin His name is, is Ricky and I know him as Kuya. Ricky because in, in Filipino, whenever you have like an older sibling or cousin or relative, within your generation, you call them Kuya in Filipino, and so his name was qui Ricky is quercy, he lives in Hawaii. And he was this guy that always did the right thing, anytime, any, like, my elders, and Mike, my grandparents or my parents, his parents would ask him to do something, he would go do it. And he would run errands, he would just do anything for them. And then he would also be super cool, because, you know, he was a skateboarder and a surfer and would listen to Van Halen, and do all this stuff. But at the same time, he did everything right, like for, for, you know, for for my for our elders. And so, I always kind of looked at him when I was growing up as a model. And that level of respect is something I continue to aspire to, and even pass to my son is like, you know, you can still be cool and do all this, you know, be a killer skateboarder, and surfer and, but still, like, have a lot of respect for the people around you. You don't have to, you know, you can still be humble and, and carry yourself with a lot of humility, and still be badass. Basically.

Monique St Paul  
I like it. I like that response. Okay, so what gets you excited, other than the TL DC community?

Luis Malbas  
Well, I mean, it's obvious, you can kind of see a guitar in the bag. I like to play music. I like to write songs. I like to be with my family. I love like playing with my son. And watching him grow up with my wife. And those are right now at this time of my life. That is like basically my thing is, is just that stuff. I have to say though, the rock and roll thing picked up like I had kind of stopped for a while. And then I ended up meeting some guys off of Craigslist. And then we were going to

Monique St Paul  
sketchy.

Luis Malbas  
It kind of is, but we ended up like just starting to, like, I didn't realize I was gonna end up playing in a rock band again. And we're playing and we're, we're doing pretty well. So it's, it's super fun. And it's it's actually helped me survive the last couple years just being able to play with those guys. So that is really driving me now. And it's a it's an important thing for me. But though that's pretty much it. It's like family and music. Pretty much. Yeah, say that.

Monique St Paul  
Yeah. stick to that. That's a good one. Oh, what do you do that people may not expect about you? So you're in a rock band. So I'd imagine that's not necessarily what people think of. But is there anything else that if someone talked to you they wouldn't expect? Like, oh my god, he does that?

Luis Malbas  
Yeah, I have like pretty much alter ego that that people have no clue about and is not appropriate for camera right now.

Monique St Paul  
Okay. We will redirect to that is fine.

Luis Malbas  
No, I am it. I think that people would be really, really surprised if they saw me, like offline, because, you know, I was skateboarding punk rocker. And, you know, but also comic book and d&d nerd. And, you know, and I do play loud guitars and, and do that stuff. I yeah, I dress a little differently when I'm off camera camera and do some crazy stuff. There are things yeah, about my life that that are unexpected. Some of them I can't really. I can't really speak about just because they're, yeah, there's whatever for a bunch of different reasons. But I do some I do some really cool stuff. I do some really cool stuff I have. I have a really nice life.

Monique St Paul  
At least the stuff that you shared with us, I think is pretty. So that's, that's pretty cool. And I'm all about privacy. If you have things and you're lying to yourself. That's okay. I like yeah, I don't push people on that one for sure. I would say for someone who's so established and there's so many things what makes you nervous.

Luis Malbas  
I'm freaking nervous right now. I'm always nervous. Being on in front of a camera and even this whole thing. I'm totally nervous. I mean, if you could see my hands are like sweating like crazy. And I'm trying not to say I'm, I've got I'm just nervous. Like whenever the one of the hardest things I do on a regular basis is is doing a broadcast is turning that on and like getting it going. But you know, I have to practice A little bit of meditation beforehand, I have to calm myself and, and just go through it and do it because personally, I am not somebody that is really comfortable on camera. And that is one of the reasons I think why I love what I do is because I see other people that feel the same way. And I know that if I can do it, they can totally do it. And I want to help them do it, I want to just make sure that you like, because all of everybody that's in the community, every single member showcase that we've done, anybody that's submitted anything that wants to be able to share their knowledge with this community. That is absolutely brilliant. That's like, you know, and that's kind of built into the core of trainers and people that are educators is like you have you want to help other people. It's kind of it's just built into you. And if I can facilitate that and help that in any way, then yeah, that's my goal. And so, but the thing for me is, is I like doing the mechanisms behind the scenes and like thinking about how can what's a better way to help these people on the better way to create connections among, amongst people. You know, the thing is, is like right now, I'm kind of the only one person by default that can, you know, get up and do what needs to be done for the showcases, and here in crowdcast. And so that's pretty much why I do it. And that's why this is like Willy Wonka, I'm going to turn it over to you guys going forward, and you're gonna just be the stars of the show. No, I'm just kidding. But you know, if that if I could ever do that, I probably would, because I love building the stuff behind the scenes. But I'm not super comfortable being in front of folks. And, um, but knowing that I want to help others like that have that same issue that I do, so that, you know, we can work through it together. And for me, it's just practice. When I first started, I know my voice used to shake. And and you guys probably didn't see my knees shaking either underneath my desk, but they were and I don't I don't shake as much anymore, but it's still it's still nerve racking.

Monique St Paul  
That's I felt I applaud you for doing it for so many reasons. One because it gave me the opportunity to do it. But also that I can make you nervous, which is crazy, because I don't think that oh Rubina has in the comments that she always made her feel, he helped her calm down. And I would say even at my own showcase, I felt the same way because and I think about it the sort of the psychological safety of, I'm not nervous to make mistakes mistakes in front of you, like I feel that's gonna be support. Regardless, and I think that's what really learners do or not learners, but people in this profession really do. I do want to touch on since you've mentioned tech so many times during this conversation is what is your favorite pieces of tech or way to connect with people online?

Luis Malbas  
Yeah, that's a good one. Was that in the list? I was not

Monique St Paul  
cheating. I'm, like, calm backgrounds. Yeah, no, I

Luis Malbas  
you know, I mean, my favorite piece of tech, I think that over, you know, the last five years was has definitely been virtual reality. But I can't say that it's, it's one that I like to participate in on a regular basis. It's it isn't, I don't, it's, it's, it's a whole other place. It's so powerful to me. And I feel like when I do do it, I have to make sure that I have the time to go to. I feel like I'm just going to another world. And and I think that I feel a little displaced by you know, digital relationships in general. And, and, and that in some ways, I'm losing my ability to connect with other humans like face to face. And so I've actually been kind of working on that is like actually forming more relationships. And it's, it's, it's, it's been better lately, just because with my son back in school, I'm getting to connect with other parents and saying, hey, okay, here we are, we get to talk and, like from human to human, but generally, I can't say that I have a favorite tool. I do. Like, you know, I like this is pretty much it. Like, you know, between the crowd casts and and what happens in slack. That's pretty much it. And I'm not somebody that you'll see like, post stuff like regularly on on LinkedIn. I mean, I do stuff for TL DC, and even on Twitter. I do it kind of because I have to just to make sure that there's a voice there. But for the most part, I like the face to face connections that I have like here with that I can see the two of you And then when we're on slack that you know that I can connect to people or dm somebody in there and, and have a conversation with them there. But realistically, I just have created sort of boundaries and limits for interacting with other people. And I just do as much as I can. You know, like, for instance, after this is done, I'm probably going to, like, have to sit for like an hour and just calm down because we had all of this interaction, and I think it was a kayleen hold had just posted something about being an introvert. Because I do think that I'm an introvert. And, you know, and it does take a lot out of me, when I get mentioned on LinkedIn. And this is not to tell people not to mention me on LinkedIn. But when I get mentioned on LinkedIn, I get like, I feel sort of blocked, terrified. It's like, ah, like I mentioned, when I see like, after an event, and I see my name, like, in my, you know, like, I get the emails for it. I'm like, I get kind of freaked out. But um, yeah, so I really cldc is, is my primary little piece of technology. I used to stay in touch with people and, and I love it and it's, I've sort of like, designed it to accommodate me and I feel like hopefully people are are okay with it, too.

Monique St Paul  
I would say if they are, I'm gonna ask one question. I'm gonna let Miss Lisa do a speed round with you. And oh, yeah, I know. Things are gonna be simple questions. I promise. They're quick. They're not me to be overly nervous for lax. Do you ever have imposter syndrome? I know that's Yes. He said that was very quick. even hesitate.

Luis Malbas  
Not at all. Like what the heck am I even here for like, yeah,

Monique St Paul  
tire community, and you still feel that? That's very interesting.

Luis Malbas  
Yeah, no, it's Yeah, no, yeah, I sometimes I'm like, What is happening? Like, what? Why did so many people sign up for this thing? That's weird. Like, you know, and I'm excited. It excites me. And I'm like, well, that's cool. There were a lot of people there and everyone was talking but I'm still like, but I don't get it. You know,

Monique St Paul  
take a break. Yeah. After I'm gonna let Lisa I You're the one behind the control. So I don't know if you want to do in your tiny squares or not to do our speed round of questions.

Lisa Crockett  
Oh, I am in the controls. That's awesome. Yes, I do speak guys. Sorry. I'm trying to I'm trying to to figure all this stuff out in the background, so we didn't crash. I guess I did. Okay, let's see. There we go. I don't want it on me. No. Oh, my goodness. I was trying to get all three of us up.

Monique St Paul  
Don't worry about it. Anyway, speed round. Let's

Lisa Crockett  
just do speed round. Oh, okay. Let's talk.

Luis Malbas  
Oh, man, that's kind of funny that you. Last song I listened to was yesterday. I heard this song by Vampire Weekend called 2021. That was really, really weird. And I was like, What are they doing? It was very jam band ish and strange. Pretty much the last song that I listened to.

Unknown Speaker  
How about the last thing last thing

Luis Malbas  
that I read? Oh, well, I guess it was last night. I was reading some rulebook stuff for Magic the Gathering because my son my seven year old wants to get into that game and he because he ended up playing with some with a friend over the weekend like a friend taught him how to play Magic the Gathering over the weekend. And so last night to put them to bed. We were reading through the rules on how to play and that's

Lisa Crockett  
that's perfect though, because that reads into the next question. I got I got what do you fanboy? Or do I

Luis Malbas  
fanboy? Ah, who do I fanboy? Oh, man. I wish Ah, because there are people that I definitely fanboy. Why kind of fanboy Nick Flora who's in here? Say it's the just Yeah, he's just I mean, when he when he posted that picture of his work, work workstation. I was like, okay, that's Oh, you're you're you are now I'm bingeing Ted lasso and I'm really, really into that. I feel like a better person watching it. I don't know if you guys watch that at all, but it's like on Apple TV. I

Lisa Crockett  
love coming up on my feed. So I think that's a sign.

Luis Malbas  
Yeah, but Ted lasso I've been binge watching that. And so yeah, I fanboy. That's pretty much my answer, because I'm all about Ted lasso right now. Okay,

Lisa Crockett  
one more, one more. And then and then I'll let us let us release and see if there are any more questions in our Ask a Question from the audience. So, yes or no. Could your partner your wife accurately describe what you do for a living?

Luis Malbas  
No. You have no faith in her whatsoever. No, no zero. She's, yeah, she's kind of like she's in the entertainment business. And like, she's got her own type of like, yeah, she's just she's a whole other type of. She's got knitting also. Yeah, no, she just, it doesn't matter. It's just, yeah, she's just, she just lets me write the checks. And, and we're good. But, ya know, and it's not a big deal. It's not a big deal. I, you know, it really isn't something that we, we chase around a lot. You know, during the live events, you know, that's definitely something she understands and is absolutely impressed by, but the virtual stuff, she's not much of a computer person too. So she's very analog. So it's probably be hard for her to, to really understand what's going on. I mean, she was trying to bring me a cup of coffee earlier. So she's supportive in every way imaginable, but has no clue. I'm over here talking to people and on in front of a computer.

Monique St Paul  
Sounds excellent. Before Lisa wraps this up. Do you have any other comments that you'd like to make? Before we close out?

Luis Malbas  
Yeah, you know, what I what I, what I need from you guys, is I need to understand, I want you to tell everyone, what you're trying to do here with this intersections and learning because I'm not sure how much value I'm providing right now to the conversation. And I do think that this community is an intersection, it's a way community based learning, which I've heard, you know, more and more talk of about, you know, from from, from, from people out there, how important that actually can be for folks. But what your thoughts are, how you're going to chase after this the conversation where you're going at? What are you looking for, as far as the guests that you're gonna book? What are those? Like? What are the intersections? Like, tell us again, you know, I know you talked about it in the last episode that you that we did together, but just one more time, and I think you should introduce the show with the concept. But those intersections, why are they important?

Monique St Paul  
Hey, Simon, let you start off, and then I'll call it I know,

Lisa Crockett  
she was gonna do that to me, I knew she was. So what we're hoping to do is, and you guys heard some of that in the introduction, or some of you may or may have seen that video we put before the the webcast. But what we're really trying to do as is to talk about as a community, you know, we all come from different disciplines, right? Some of us are facilitators, straight up. Some of us are instructional designers. Some of us are a mix. Some of us are media developers, and there's so many other roles out there. So I apologize if I'm missing yours. But we intersect in so many ways. And there are so many conversations in this community about what what is an instructional designer? Or what do we call ourselves or, or all of these pieces. And what we want to capture here is it's what are the different pieces? And then how do we intersect graphic design, for instance, or until Luis is point your wife is in the entertainment industry? I forget what was it Shelley who said this in her and her her cast with you someone said it just hit me so so right here, after having done this for like 25 years, it's work. There's entertainment that we intersect with. And I know a lot of learning folks don't like to think of it that way. But there is a component of keeping people engaged. And and all of that. And what we want to find out from you guys is where do you intersect with each other? Where to where do we intersect with all of these different roles? What are we not even thinking about? You know, there's the obvious stuff marketing, right? graphic design, voiceover artists, media development, but they're things that are not obvious. And they often come up in the middle of, you know, an engagement with a client, you're like, Oh, my God, I need a. So we want to find out about those, and how do you navigate through them? You know, what do you do if you need to create some crazy animated video for a client, they really want that Pixar thing? Who do you call if you don't do it? Do you do it? Do you call somebody? Do you readjust their expectations? That's what we really want to talk about, and especially how some of you who've been doing this for a long time? How do you navigate that stuff? You know, let's help some of the folks that are coming in. Yeah,

Monique St Paul  
yeah, that's all I got. And Kim, you're right. technical writing is another great intersection as well. And I think the other point that I would add on to this is luisi. don't necessarily think of yourself as a learning professional, and yet your whole point, it's about community and professional personal development for people that is learning. And I think the point that in the part that I spoke to me with Lisa, is honestly for those who have imposter syndrome or nervous about starting something, this is your arena, even if your title isn't in l&d if you care about people, if you care about growth, that is an intersection. And so we're just looking at different people who are doing things they're learning and or if they're not officially in learning, if they're still helping people grow, how does that all work? So please reach out to me or Lisa on LinkedIn. We will happily speak to you a little bit more about this. But I want to thank you all, Lisa, let you do the wrap up here as well,

Luis Malbas  
when I want to add some real quick if I can, sorry. thing that I love about the intersection concept is it's you know, all of those things about, you know, sort of these different verticals and different skill sets that we have that intersect and different departments within an organization, those are all really, really important. But the intersection that I'm seeing that I'm totally in love with right now is how the two of you have intersected, and that there was a community that brought you guys together and your paths crossed, and now you're doing this. And that is something that, that I I'm hoping to DC can continue to facilitate is that everyone is on this path. And there are all these different intersections. And it could be that, you know, Monique, you're like, you know, your, your, your you work with VR on a regular basis. And that, you know, maybe there's somebody at TL DC at some point that is going to be another VR and learning professional that you will intersect with and then things will go in a different direction and and just, you know, that type of thing, those are the that's what I'm that's what I'm hoping for with this community that we can find ways to, to continue to intersect with one another to be and then those intersections help us grow and find new paths and create better versions of ourselves, right? We're just like, I remember one time I was at a songwriting thing, and, and a guy told me that he heard one of my songs, and he said, you know, that song is great. I can I feel like, it's like a Picasso that just needs to be sort of just, you know, tweaked a little bit, and you're going to find the final masterpiece, that final shape of it. Like, just by chipping away here and there. And that's kind of how I look at supporting people within this community. It's like, yeah, we'll just let's, let's figure out a way to get you to that point where, you know, the final masterpiece is available, and then you know, then you move on to something else. And so that's what I love about the intersections thing is that there's so many possibilities.

Monique St Paul  
Thank you for giving us this opportunity. Thank you for being our first This is awesome.

Luis Malbas  
Yeah.

Lisa Crockett  
Thank you so much. Doing this if it wasn't for you, like really or each other, and that's like, that's the intersection with cldc. Yeah, made all the difference for me.

Luis Malbas  
That's awesome. Thank you guys.

Monique St Paul  
Thank you. Thank you.

Lisa Crockett  
Alright, guys. We're gonna close it up. And we have the intersections email in the chat. We hope you enjoyed today's cast. And we'll be bringing you on in two weeks. If anyone is interested in being a guest, definitely email us LinkedIn, hook into us all of our LinkedIn mind, Monique's excuse me losing my voice and I didn't even talk today. And then we says they're all up in the chat. So hook up to us any way that you'd like and reach out and thank you so much for coming.

Monique St Paul  
Thank you. Have a good one. Thanks, everyone.

Luis Malbas  
We'll see you soon. Bye. Bye. Oh, wait, I don't have to shut it off. You guys still Yeah,

Lisa Crockett  
no, that's fine. Let's see if I can cut everybody off.

Luis Malbas  
Here we go.

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