Intersections in Learning featuring Sion Dayson

Lisa Crockett  
Thanks for listening to the intersections in learning and development cast a series from the training learning and development community. My name is Lisa Crockett. And this cast focuses on forging relationships that foster effective learning, no matter where you start, whether you design, develop, deliver, support, or consult and are all of the above, we hope to provide you with new ideas, inspiration and connections across the l&d community. Our guest today is Sion Dayson, an American voice actor living in Valencia, Spain. She's a passionate storyteller both through writing and voice acting, and her intercultural experience and extensive background and editorial in education make her a fantastic fit for elearning explainer and commercial narration we really wanted to talk to see on today because the intersection of voice acting and instructional design is critical to get right and working together seamlessly makes for the most effective finished products. American voice actress actually living in Valencia, Spain, and I really, really, really wish I was there too. Right now it is so cold here. siana is a passionate storyteller. And that's both through writing and voice acting. And she's going to share some of her favorite projects with us today. But really, it's her intercultural experience, folks and her extensive background that for educational work makes her such a shoo in. Because she can transform her voice and she knows how to do that. So with that, I'm going to pass the mic over to Seon for a moment before I start grilling her with my questions. To you, ma'am.

Sion Dayson  
Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited to be here for our Mardi Gras edition. Yeah, like Lisa said, I'm a voice actor. But I come from a long background of writing, I was a writer for about 20 years. I've also taught English as a foreign language and creative writing. So I think all of that makes me a good fit for elearning and elearning is one of my favourite genres to voice that's, I'm looking forward to being grilled.

Lisa Crockett  
Well, let's start with a really hard one. How did you get into voice acting?

Sion Dayson  
Yeah, it was actually a case of serendipity. I was teaching EFL at a university here in Spain. And the university had an exam that was sort of equivalent to Cambridge. And so they had their teachers do the recordings for the listening portion. And a sound engineer was overseeing the process. So when I recorded my scripts, he said, Are you professional voice actor, you're really good at this. And I was like, no, but please tell me more. That sounds amazing. And really, that one question just completely changed my life because it sparked an interest in me a curiosity. And what I always do, when that happens is I do a ton of research. So I'm listening to podcasts, you know, listening to every blog post. And, you know, in some ways, I got kind of lucky, because this was just a few months before COVID. And so I was already doing that research, and then locked down here in Spain was very strict. We weren't even allowed to leave our house to go for a walk for a few months. And so the day that lockdown started, I signed up for an intensive voiceover class and just never looked back. So I'm coming up on two years of my pandemic pivots, and completely changing careers. And I'm so happy.

Lisa Crockett  
That's amazing. Because two years, I've heard some of your samples, and they are, they're stellar. And I'm really picky. So just saying that out loud, like, and they're just stellar. And they're beautiful. So that is huge. Did you have a background maybe in like theater or something like that, that?

Sion Dayson  
Well, when I was younger, I wanted to be an actress. But it's not something I pursued. But you know, I've always thought of myself as a storyteller. So even though I would write for the page, I mean, I'm, I'm in love with language, you know. And so I think it's just really easy for me to get text and just understand what needs to be communicated.

Lisa Crockett  
That's a good transition, actually, to something that's really challenging from, from my perspective in the IDX. World, what is it like for you to onboard a new client?

Sion Dayson  
Yeah, so you know, clients come to me in different ways. Like maybe it's on LinkedIn, maybe it's referral, maybe it's an audition and I get cast. So it really kind of depends on the case. Like I definitely have clients where they are onboarding me, you know, like, I have a bunch of paperwork that I have to fill out because I'm a vendor supplier and DEA is contracts. But other things, it's a lot more informal, and it's just done, you know, via email. But in any case, you know, there are obviously things I need to know from the beginning. What exactly is the project? What is the scope? You know, what, what is the usage? What is the recording actually going to be used for? Is this an internal training? That's only going to live on a company's intranet? Or is this a course that's going to be sold? Is it public facing? Like, who is the audience for this? Then I also want to know, word count and how technical the script is. For example, I, I love doing medical narration. My father's a doctor, I'm really interested in health issues. And those are more complicated scripts, you know, more for me to look up pronunciations, that sort of thing. And then, of course, I want to know what what the client wants to hear you know what style is conversational? Like, I'm a colleague, and we're just talking peer to peer about something, is it more authoritative or formal. So I usually for longer projects, I will record a short sample of the same part of the script in three different ways. Changing like tone, pace, intention, formal registry, and then the client decides I like approach to so before I get into the meat of the project, I already know you know, which, which kind of approach they want. And I also have a document that outlines my policies for revisions and retakes as it's, you know, as you probably know, know, things can, it's good to establish things like that upfront.

Lisa Crockett  
They can go on forever. Otherwise, I would imagine, I know, in my world, when I have to send something back to a narrator I am cringing not the first time. But like, if we hit the third time, I'm saying, I really hope you're gonna charge us for this, because you need to charge us for this.

Sion Dayson  
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So that's what I say like, I'll you know, anything that's a mistake on my part will always be free forevermore, you know, obviously, and I do a free round of pickups, because I know things change. But like, you know, it's an everyone's benefit that I'm recording the final script.

Lisa Crockett  
We don't want you annoyed when you're recording the final script, just like you don't want me annoyed as an ID when I'm creating something because it could show, you know, my thing was darker than it needs to be.

Sion Dayson  
And it's not even so much that it's annoying. It's like, if you want to pay me You can pay me to rewrite

Lisa Crockett  
time. It's time It's

Sion Dayson  
time. It's budget, it's you know, it's all of that stuff.

Lisa Crockett  
And then like, what's your biggest challenge? Whether that's like, you know, from the the client side, or the IDs, depending on who you're working with that imagine, but what would your biggest challenge be?

Sion Dayson  
Well, I mean, actually, that is one of my biggest challenges is making sure it's a final script. I mean, I know you guys have a lot of input, like you have a lot of different stakeholders, and Smedes. And things are changing, and lots of different iterations. And I know that Vo is towards the end of that process, like a lot has gone on before that. So I just think it's beneficial to everyone that I'm working on the final product. But you know, of course, I still get scripts that have grammatical errors, or I do have, you know, a fair number of clients who English isn't their first language, and so it doesn't flow as naturally. You know, so there are things like that. Also, just technically, like, I love seeing a good storyboard, because it gives me context. But it's not easy to read off of that. So you know, I just want a simple word doc, that I can also like, put little notes, and if it's like pronunciations, or spelling out acronyms, that sort of stuff.

Lisa Crockett  
I think that's a great point to make. Because one thing that's come up I've seen this when I've used like voice services, is Phil asked, Do you want me to sync it? And I always thought that would be so much easier for me. But how hard that would be because at least I know, because I've designed it a little more about the topic, I hope than I knew before I started but that's all brand new for you. So I'd imagine that just ends up going back and forth a lot more because you might not know that that's X fiber and that's Wi Fi or whatever.

Sion Dayson  
Yeah, no, that's why you're actually happening. But it's good to have both like it's good for me to see okay, what is the learner actually seen? But then also I want to read off a Word document and not the storyboard. Yeah.

Lisa Crockett  
We have a few aspiring we have one voiceover art. Hi, Michael. Welcome. Michaels voice artists and an ID. We talked to him a few months back. And then we have Kiersten It looks like she's exploring VoiceOver on the side. So she wants to hear more about your journey. You've studied us you were talking about your your study, and what you did during COVID And up to this and I I've looked up some stuff on you, and you study with some pretty impressive, folks, how did you make those choices for yourself?

Sion Dayson  
Um, you know, a lot of it is just intuition. I, like I said, I don't even remember how I found Carrie Olson, but she was the person who I signed up with first and again, luck, she, you know, it's a self paced course. And then once a month, she had, you know, live interaction, but because of COVID. She's like, you know, it was at the very beginning, she was like, I feel like we need community right now. So we had calls every single day,

Lisa Crockett  
oh, my are about really responsive to what was going on.

Sion Dayson  
I was so responsive. But that meant I was just entering the field. And I literally had input every day. So my learning just went like this. And then I got very lucky that I also happen to see also because of COVID, Laurie Allen, who's a really pretty famous actress, like she voices on Family Guy, and you know, all sorts of stuff. She was offering discounted coaching. And I signed so she was my first coach.

Lisa Crockett  
Crazy. That's just crazy. I mean, yeah, so

Sion Dayson  
I'm really lucky. Yeah.

Lisa Crockett  
We've got we've got, do I see in the activity that I think Monique is planning to take a voiceover class tomorrow? Or? I'm not sure I'm understanding that comment. But you've inspired Moni, that was you? That's amazing. Really

Sion Dayson  
no fun. The voice is such an integral part of who we are, you know, even if you don't want to do it as a career. It's really fun. Yeah, yeah, I just had so much fun. I honestly think that's what got through got me through the pandemic, too. Because there were so much to learn. Because voiceover isn't just about performance. Like I had to learn sound editing, I had to learn how to design, you know, a soundproof acoustically treated space, I had to learn how to market myself, I have to learn about business. But that gave me such a humongous project, you know, while I was locked away. Yeah.

Lisa Crockett  
And you do a great job of it. Your feed is like the most fun feed everyone like you really need to follow see on. I think it was one day after I started following you. I'm gonna I hope this is still in my Yes, it is. It was still in my paste. I just put this fun exercise or fun quiz in the in the chat, you know, on your free time. It's fun. It's fun. It's fun. And this was on her site. And then so now I'm starting to look through her LinkedIn and finding all this fun stuff. Like you need to follow her. It's like fun stuff. But yeah, I mean, you did a great job of building that quickly. And again, your your samples and everything. They're so professional, they're so on. So that's amazing. On that I want to segue like you and I talked a little bit about voice services. And I've used some different services. And I'm sure we've all used different, would you talk to the audience a little bit about like the difference between the services and how it how it is for the artist on that side? You know, folks, I wanted to talk about this like, because I think of us in terms of Upwork and Fiverr, and all of those services. And those are just the ones I know about. And I'm sure there are amazing other services out there. But I thought it would be interesting for you to hear the perspective of the voice artist on those and

Sion Dayson  
yeah, um, so I will say not all of those platforms are equal. You know, they take different percentages, they have different business practices. I myself am not on sort of those gig sites, I definitely have friends who are I try to market myself in different ways I am on some casting sites, but the ones that I feel are being transparent about what they're what they're doing. There is there like there's a major player, I won't name them, but they're a major player who's just not transparent about how much they're taking, not just from the talent side, but also you as a voice seeker. And the way we know that is because sometimes you'll see the same notice posted on different, different platforms. And there'll be different budgets listed. And this one takes out a huge amount, which means they're taking it from the client first, before they even post it to us. You know, and I just like to work with people who are ethical and transparent. So, you know, crazy.

Lisa Crockett  
No, I'm kind of with you. I haven't done the gig sites. I thought about it in the beginning, and I wasn't comfortable with it. And I was able to find other avenues. But I know that we both sort of started in the middle. And it's harder for folks when they're starting in the beginning and there's definitely value and I know Michael posted freelancer.com And I would check that out. And experiences like with Upwork or Fiverr those are ones I don't plan to ever touch but freelancer.com A good alternative. And I know there are also other agencies. But I wish we I know we can't share the player when we won't share the player but look out for you can

Sion Dayson  
send me a DM,

Lisa Crockett  
I can send you. I'm curious, I think I know who it is. But I'm very curious.

Sion Dayson  
I will say I'm on voice 123. They're, they're pretty transparent. I'm not I don't love their algorithm. I feel like algorithms run our life in so many ways. But you know, there are honest about, you know, what, what they're charging. And what's good about that is they're fine if you take the client off platform. So I've definitely auditioned for something on there been booked, and then done subsequent projects just directly with that client. So that's really nice. I'm also on the Dalgo, which is more a European site, although there's people from all countries on there. And that's good, because it does not charge you as a voice seeker, anything. And all the talent on there are vetted, unlike some other sites. So like, you have to have professional demos to be on there.

Lisa Crockett  
And that's a hard thing I've noticed when you go into sites, you can hear all variety of demos, but they're also short. It can be really hard to tell. I mean, we know I don't like to design long elearning. But sometimes elearning is longer, even if you're talking about 10 or 15 minute narration or an hour, God forbid, having the ability to keep that tone and keep that that's a skill. Hmm, now can ask you a follow up on that, like so now that you've got your you've got your main chops down, and you've got your foundation? What do you do now to keep your development going?

Sion Dayson  
Oh, yeah, I mean, training never ends, I would imagine it's very similar in your field, it absolutely never ends. I'm constantly, you know, taking classes or coaching. I mean, there's always so much to learn performance wise. And also, you know, I'm I am proficient at editing, but I'm not a sound engineer. So there's, obviously a ton more I can constantly learn. And, you know, Google's my friend, like, I will Google YouTube videos if I am trying to troubleshoot an audio thing, but I've also bought courses. I'm also part of accountability groups. And that's really great just to like, talk with your peers and your colleagues about hey, have you run into this issue? And how did you solve it so

Lisa Crockett  
crowdsource crowdsource the problem? That's, you're reminding me I need to crowdsource a problem out to tell DC community I have to remember to do that later. But it helps especially when you work on your own is that like so when you figured out the the sound booth right building that YouTube Google did you bring people in how did you do that?

Sion Dayson  
Yeah, so my first one was definitely DIY after watching like a ton of different YouTube things and it was like basically converted our wire that I put together with like blankets and you know all of that stuff. But then when I moved I was like, Okay, I am committed to this been my career. I'm going to invest in this so I brought in a dedicated sound designer slash audio engineer to build this I don't know if you can see it, this is my big blue booth. And you know, it costs 1000s of dollars but it's top notch now and so I don't have to worry about sounds coming in anymore like we're we just started this huge festival in Valencia that's gonna go on for three weeks and they love firecrackers you know, my old booth that would have cut it but I'm like literally and it's so I can work during the festival.

Lisa Crockett  
So I have to ask this I'm I have to ask this like how do you is your computer inside the booth is it outside the booth because like my biggest issues my computer and yeah ban and the

Sion Dayson  
Yeah, no it's outside that's why I'm talking to outside right now because when I go to record it's literally in there

Lisa Crockett  
see button in there

Sion Dayson  
that I do I have I have a monitor and you know keyboard and yeah, I actually have pictures on my website of my setup it's it's easier to see

Lisa Crockett  
I've got to go back and look through that because like yeah, the computers the worst offender I think you know in terms of my office it's pretty quiet but you can always hear this is

Sion Dayson  
yeah, so I've just put it in my put it in the chat. You can see pictures and yeah, I kept my computer out of the booth. No fan noise

Lisa Crockett  
no fan noise. No matter how quiet they say it is it is not quiet.

Unknown Speaker  
It is not quiet. Quiet.

Lisa Crockett  
Okay, so a little more personal. Now what is Your favorite like mantra or quote that you live by?

Sion Dayson  
Oh, um, yeah. So it's not so much a mantra but there's a line in a Mary Oliver poem. What is it you want to do with your one wild and precious life? And whenever I'm feeling like, I just need some grounding. Honestly, just asking myself that question refocuses me and just reminds me it's like, yes, it's just, we just got this one shot. And this life it is it's precious. It's wild. So, so yeah, that's sort of what I go back to.

Lisa Crockett  
Beautiful. That is beautiful. Um, okay. So we are at 1120. Is there anything? I'm sorry, I'm looking through the questions. I see. Oh, anything?

Sion Dayson  
Oh, here's templates. Nine out that one?

Lisa Crockett  
Yep. So what kind of sorry, I'm scrolling back up? What kind of process templates do you hold out? Yeah,

Sion Dayson  
I actually, I think I have some helpful things to recommend here.

Lisa Crockett  
reading scripts, I'm just going to read it for every one, is there a process or template, or other resource you recommend to those creating scripts to ensure you get what you need to deliver what the client wants?

Sion Dayson  
Yeah, so Christy Tucker has a really great video checklist, which I can put in the chat as well. And I love it, because so many of the things I was like, Yes, please do this. Look at this checklist. And one of the biggest things, actually, that she emphasizes is reading it aloud. And I cannot tell you what a difference that makes. And it is not just for me to make it easier. I did this when I was a writer. And you know, I was writing simply for the page, but you read aloud and you can hear oh, that's a clunky sentence. And it's not just clunky. It's like, oh, maybe this isn't as clear as it could be. Maybe they're like the logic isn't coming through. Maybe they're just way too many clauses. And someone listening is going to get lost in that. So so that's really important. And trying to think another resource, Nicole, Papa now Lucara also has a course on scripting for voiceover, which I haven't taken. But I, I trust that it's really great, because she's such a huge proponent for using professional voiceover in elearning courses. And but I do know, she talks about this framework, which I think is valuable, called Mapit. And that stands for medium audience, purpose, information, and time. And so if you're thinking about all of those elements, as you're creating a script, you're probably going to come up with something good. So just take for example, the beginning medium, how are you delivering this information? You know, what is what is our goal here, we want learners to retain information, we want them to change their behavior to improve their performance in some aspect. So how are we going to do that we need to engage people, you know, how do you engage people? Maybe it's a story driven scenario, maybe it's a virtual simulation, but just, you know, how are you delivering this? And then you keep going audience you know, who are you actually speaking to? Have they just entered a company and they know nothing about it? Or, you know, have they done a million trainings and you know, they're at a very advanced level, and you're just trying to get at some little aspect. So yeah, medium audience purpose, information and time. I won't spill all of her secrets, but I just I remember hearing her talk about that once and I was like, oh, yeah, that's that's a nice little

Lisa Crockett  
thing. She's amazing. I know I need to look that up. It's what this is all about. We get these nuggets. Let's see what else we might have that we What's the biggest challenge we talked about that talked about that when you want to get into the zones that so what do you do to get yourself going before you get in that booth?

Sion Dayson  
Yeah, it kind of depends on the project. I mean, I'm very big into mind body connections. So you know, I tried to do yoga every morning I tried to take a walk in the middle of the day. I always find you know, sometimes I'll be like, I'm too busy to do that. And like on those days, that's when you actually have to do it because I'll be like I have too much to do and then I don't do it and like I'm much less efficient. Yeah, it is true. I think I remember hearing someone say You know, if you don't have time to meditate for five minutes, meditate for 15 He say you

Lisa Crockett  
really need it. That's I need to write that on a posted it right in front of Yeah, but it's

Sion Dayson  
Yeah, but other than that, so sometimes I'm like that Zen thing, but sometimes I will dance around. Like, if I'm having a live directed session, I need to get my energy up, I will definitely dance around the house. I will do the superhero pose, you know, and be like, I'm awesome. I rock.

Lisa Crockett  
That one, not the squatting pose. But the No,

Sion Dayson  
I don't think you can see me but you know, when you put your arms on your hips, and it just makes you feel powerful, okay, guy, even like Star Pose, like take space.

Lisa Crockett  
These things are all good things, especially when we sit so much like this all day long. You guys do the same thing behind each other all day long. Okay, all right. So we got that one. Church. Can you give us an example of a narration? Oh, I think if you go on SSI on site, you're gonna find a number of them. But is there anyone in particular or any project maybe you'd want to point people to see on that you're especially proud of.

Sion Dayson  
So I've narrated over 30 titles for blankest, which is an app that summarizes the key takeaways of nonfiction books. And so you know, their tagline is more knowledge and less time. And so it's really great because, you know, I get to learn something new. Every time I've narrated titles on neuroscience, and quantum mechanics and entrepreneurship and all of these different things. But the ones that really moved me as you know, I narrated Tarana Burke's memoir, who was the founder of me, too. I narrated Brene, brown and Toronto, Burke also did a book together. That were a collection of essays by black activists, Clint Smith, a narrated one, he was sort of traveling through different sites following the transatlantic slave trade. I mean, you know, that's, that's stuff that talks about storytelling. You know, those were, those were good examples of narration and storytelling, for sure.

Lisa Crockett  
I mean, the dream jobs, which would have been your favorite, do you think? Out of all those out of all

Sion Dayson  
of those, yeah. Oh, it's hard. It's like choosing one if I can. I mean, I named those three because those were the you know, I those are the big ones. Yeah.

Lisa Crockett  
That makes sense. What's the what would you say? Is like your favorite thing to do after a project to celebrate?

Sion Dayson  
It's probably not the healthiest, but it's usually food related. I mean, it's usually cake or chocolate or going out.

Lisa Crockett  
Which Yep. Yeah, book. So chocolate cake. So I know what to send you next time you finish a project or we work together.

Sion Dayson  
I mean, I'm really open. I'm an open person. I like so many different types.

Unknown Speaker  
Sending food any

Sion Dayson  
carrot cake chocolate cake here. It's they have this built they to Lecce, which is like a caramel thing. Lemon Cake. I mean, come on. I don't discriminate. I'm open.

Lisa Crockett  
It's all good. It's all good. Brownies. Michael, we need the sugar free brownies. There's he sent me a really good recipe for sugar free brownies. Okay, I'm

Sion Dayson  
trying to cut down on sugar. You wouldn't know that with my answer. But I'm like,

Lisa Crockett  
oh, we'll talk I'll send you some recipes. It's there's some out there. But I digress. I digress. Who do you follow? See on?

Sion Dayson  
Hmm. Like on LinkedIn, LinkedIn, general

Lisa Crockett  
media in general.

Sion Dayson  
I mean, I I follow people in different domains. Like I still have a lot of writer colleagues that I follow voice actors too. But I've really been following a lot of l&d professionals this past year, because like, I knew I wanted to specialize in elearning narration and I really want to understand your world and your landscape. I feel like it helps me deliver a better product, if I at least, you know, know a little bit of something like a little something about what you all are talking about and the discussions that are happening. So you know, I've met a lot of people through this, like, I don't know if you've seen me in the audience, but I've probably been to like 10 or 11 of, you know, TL DC things and I learned something new each time and I reached out to people that way. And

Lisa Crockett  
no matter how long you've been doing this, like I find so much value in the folks that come into the community that last writing one that was that we did I want to say it was about a month ago. And you've quoted a few things from it like there was I learned so much there. It was amazing. I didn't know how much I didn't know which was which is scary. It's good stuff. Yeah. All right. So now we get into what we call the speed round in intersections in learning. And that's where I just asked you a bunch of random questions. And you're not supposed to think about them just the first thing that comes into your head. Mm hmm. So let's see how this one will go. Last book you read.

Sion Dayson  
A really random don't judge me until I explain it called infatuations by Javier Medina. Yes, that sounds like it's a romance novel. But it's not it's it's actually like a metaphysical inquiry wrapped up in a murder mystery. And I read it in the original Spanish because I'm trying to read aloud in Spanish as a way to improve my boat, my language skills and also my pronunciation in Spanish.

Lisa Crockett  
That sounds fascinating though. Really. I need to what was the name of that again?

Sion Dayson  
The infatuations I don't you know, I don't actually know if I would recommend it. It was perfect for my for my purposes, because it has these very long winding poetic sentences that were really like helping me with my breath control.

Lisa Crockett  
So might not be a great read, but it's really good if I want to practice my school I

Sion Dayson  
did win a National Book Award I think like it was critically acclaimed and so but I think it's a very polarizing book like people either loved it or like this is really pretentious stuff. I don't know

Lisa Crockett  
what I think it sounds like a lot of fun. But you got to keep pushing through these these these questions. Last song you listened to by choice that just that randomly came up?

Sion Dayson  
Oh, good. I was gonna say that. No, but something like I will hear a song in a series. And that's what I Oh, I have to listen to that. Like, I just heard Whitney Houston's How will I know? Like on a series and I was like, okay, yeah, I'm gonna pull that up. I've got to listen to the whole thing now.

Unknown Speaker  
What were you watching? Speed question where that came over?

Sion Dayson  
I cannot remember. I can't remember. But I'm sure you'll probably ask me about series in general. And it is sort of a guilty pleasure when I'm watching.

Lisa Crockett  
Oh, okay. You know what, you just jumped the question, but What's your guilty pleasure that you'd like? Not that I'm not billing you a little.

Sion Dayson  
Again, I'm going to say that it's for my Spanish skills. I'm watching this series called toyboy.

I'm not saying I recommend it. I'm just saying it kept coming up on my Spanish language series. And I was like, Okay, it's for my Spanish.

Lisa Crockett  
Sounds a little teleco Valley, so

Unknown Speaker  
would be pretty good. There you go. That's a lot of fun. That's a lot of fun.

Lisa Crockett  
Okay, well, I'm gonna bet I'm gonna bet this one will come up different from you than from our IDs. But could your partner or best friend accurately describe what you do for a living?

Sion Dayson  
I actually think he could. I know, I watched these and a lot of people don't have partners who could but you know, we were strapped together during lockdown. So he saw me starting this new career and building the booth

Unknown Speaker  
he's painfully aware

Sion Dayson  
knows more than he ever wanted to know about

Unknown Speaker  
going in the booth now.

Sion Dayson  
Yeah, and it is it's like a shorthand like and he's even good. Good. Sometimes, though. Like, I do have an agent. And though sometimes they have to like right away, get the audition. So we will literally be doing something like, oh, I have an audition. And he knows what that means. Now, like, that would be totally rude. And another context would be like,

Lisa Crockett  
by leaving three in the morning, but this one's over. You know, over here. That's cool. Yeah, we have the one the office door shut you cannot come in. I need a little light though. Then there's recognition of police don't be super noisy. But I understand you close your door a little light goes on like or something. Or

Sion Dayson  
door closed means just like don't don't come in.

Unknown Speaker  
Keep it down.

Lisa Crockett  
Okay, my last question on the grill. Last Pete Well, maybe not last big thing that kept you did that kept you up at night?

Sion Dayson  
Same answer have to say it was toy boy, I binge watch. I binge watch

Lisa Crockett  
sounds so wrong and sounds alright.

Sion Dayson  
Yeah, it is PG. No. Is it maybe it's not sorry.

Lisa Crockett  
Okay, and I see I see that. Yes, I do. I see that Monique is blushing. She gave us her little blush.

Unknown Speaker  
Okay,

Lisa Crockett  
let me make sure I exhausted all of our questions.

Sion Dayson  
That was super fun. I really feel like I should have come up with a better answer. Like now I don't want you to associate me with that span. I was telling him

Unknown Speaker  
Oh my goodness.

Lisa Crockett  
I think that's what I think it's wonderful. I think it's absolutely wonderful. Now I have to look it up. It sounds like so Miss Monique, would you like to come in and close us up for the day? You trust me, you can hear me for one. I totally trust you and totally hear you, but I can't see your face there.

Monique St Paul  
No, one thank you, Seon for coming and sharing your experience with us and everyone who joined us today. We are going to do this again in two more weeks on March 15, with Jonathan Peters from sententiae gamification Other than that, enjoy your Mardi Gras safely Of course, and have a great day.

Unknown Speaker  
Happy Mardi Gras. Thank you see on so much.

Lisa Crockett  
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