Community Showcase: Skye Suttie

Luis Malbas  
Everybody, welcome to the training learning and development community. Thank you for joining us. I know we have some folks in the live audience already. Let's take a look. We shall see who is here. Aside from Sky SETI, our guest today, Anoop Gill is here John Murphy is going to be here soon. And we'll see if more people joining as we progress through another member showcase here at TL DC I'm so excited to have with us today sky study. Sky is a senior manager organizational learning development over it openly and we're going to talk about that a little bit for here is to just sort of get to know the TLB see membership a little better. Trying to get a handle on what this l&d culture is all these trends, teachers that are transforming into instructional designers, all of these different things that are happening in the l&d space, have dozens and dozens and dozens of these conversations. And you can find them all on the TL dc.com website, if you're interested in just learning more about the people that are in this space. And so, Sky, thank you for doing this. It's a Friday. It's sort of early afternoon here on the west coast. It's the last day of school for my nine year old, which I'm sure we're very excited about. Yeah, it was pajama day, but Well, actually, we thought it was pajama day. So I think he may have been just in pajamas. We saw it somewhere.

Skye Suttie  
I work remotely. Oh my God every day is pajama day.

Luis Malbas  
Go. Exactly. Um, yeah. So would love to ask you a few questions about what you do the kind of work that you do. And one of the things that I'm very interested in is because I have an English degree, went to Sonoma State University way back when? Yeah. And and you have a background in English, and you're now an instructional designer. How did how did that happen?

Skye Suttie  
Yeah, so I, so as I, as you mentioned, I have two degrees in English Lit. And when I was in graduate school, as can happen. My second year of grad school, we were going to be teaching assistants. And we came in we had a week, a week of training, where we were given a syllabus, and then you were just put into the classroom. So you know, totally prepared. I was amazing. No regrets? Absolutely not. It was a steep, steep learning curve. If anything, I wish I could find those students and be like, I'm sorry, because I know, I was like, super strict. I was also only like, a couple years older than them. So it's just a weird dynamic there. So I stayed there for a couple years. And I just kept teaching, and I was teaching Gen Ed requirements. So I taught like composition I taught, introductory British lit, introductory American Lit. And you know, like you often hear that, like, if you love what you do, you'll never work a day. Well, I mean, I loved literature, but teaching, you know, Shakespeare and poetry to mainly agriculture and engineering students. I would say like that can kind of crush your spirit at times when they walk in and they're like, this sucks. And I'm like, but it doesn't. It's amazing.

Unknown Speaker  
Stevens poetry.

Skye Suttie  
But then I eventually while I was still at Clemson, I started teaching technical writing and business writing. And what a difference when you have like buy in from your audience. And so I was like, Okay, that's great. But so I was down in South Carolina. And then I eventually wanted to move back to New York, because that's where I'm from. And that's where my family is. And I, you know, looked around. It's funny, just, you know, tangential tangent slightly. I had actually, once I left, Clemson was like, I don't want to teach anymore. I don't want to do this. Yeah. And I was trying to change industries. But everything I kept being drawn to in terms of jobs, were related to education in some way. And so it reminded me of if you've read, Never Eat Alone by Keith Ferrazzi. He talks about like your blue light. And so I'm like, okay, education, teaching is clearly mine. So I actually made my way into a workforce development program. And that's where I was for the bulk of my career. And I taught business communications there, and eventually started,

you know, having the opportunity to train like a, like my colleagues, I was nominated by my executive director, to be one of the facilitators of new hire orientation. And I just loved it. It was just so fun to go in. And like you get the energy of new hires. And coming in, you're talking about this is what we do. This is why we love what we do, and just all of those different opportunities. And then I was only supposed to do that for a year. And I talked to the director of national staff learning at the time, and I was like, Yeah, years not gonna work for me. And I managed to finagle it and I just I did it for like five or six years. And I started to do other things like managing up managing through influence. And then eventually that team tapped me to redesign the managing program and That's what I did. And that was in the big that was in 2020. So you know, nothing else was happening of significance during that time. It was a super chill time. I'm just kidding. Obviously, it was during COVID. So having to like figure all that out, yeah, taking a program that had been mainly delivered in person and completely converting it to being fully remote. So I was tapped to do that. And that's really how I got into the just l&d space. And I just loved it. And I quickly learned there is a difference between teaching and facilitating. And it took me a while to like, navigate that difference. But I mean, I think I think I finally got it. And, you know, I still continue to do that.

Luis Malbas  
Very interesting. So along those lines, like do Would you have any, just some general advice for for some of the teachers out there that are trying to transition into instructional design right now? Is there anything that you could sort of add to that, because we have, like, especially last year, this audience completely just changed from, you know, generally being practicing instructional designers to a lot of, you know, sort of entry level instructional designers coming in from, from being teachers from K through 12. Especially, and utilize,

Skye Suttie  
my first thought is just like, wow, enjoy the freedom. My, my sister, one of my, I'm the youngest of four, and my one of my sisters is a science teacher. And I see what she has to deal with just in terms of like bureaucracy and a very, like prescriptive curriculum. And I think, you know, part of what I've always loved about you know, being in this space is you just you identify a need, and then you can just go figure it out. And then you can like, up into people be like, Hey, I'm thinking this, this, this, but you don't have to, like, as not as much red tape. So like, I guess my first piece of advice is just to enjoy it and to trust yourself. Because, you know, we you know, more than you think you do, and especially when it comes to designing and delivering content, because I think oftentimes people use the word, oh, we're gonna have a training, or we're gonna teach something. And then like, I'll go to it. And I'm like, you just talked to me for 10 minutes. Like, this wasn't a training. I'm like, you use this word, but I don't think you know what it means. It doesn't mean what you think it means. I always mess up that quote from The Princess Bride. So I think, you know, that would be my biggest thing is just like just trusting yourself and knowing but also, being mindful of not going overboard with teacher talk. If you booked out like, well, the pedagogical principles like, No, I wouldn't, I would recommend not doing that. So that would be some of my couple of things. I'd say.

Luis Malbas  
That's great. That's great. So favorite part of being an l&d professional, it's interesting, because, you know, two degrees and with English Lit, what were the, by the way, I'm just really curious personally, say that one more time. You have an English Lit, what would those be? Or what would the emphasis on?

Skye Suttie  
Oh, well, so in the My undergrad was more just like English Lit just in general. And then in grad school, I focused more on like, Native American and Irish lit knows where I yeah, I mean, I studied, like, probably a bit more of a heavier emphasis on the Irish part. Like I studied abroad in Maryland for a summer. We studied Irish lip there. I mean, you're walking around the city of Dublin, and you're seeing, you know, like, the parts where James Joyce, like, like their placards with like, Leopold bloom, who's the main character? It's you. Sorry, you asked the question. So I'm gonna go I love it. Love it. That's coming out. Of they have placards around the city that show you so like, we would walk around and see all those. And so that's yeah, that was my, that was my concentration. But back to like, my favorite part, I would say is the building. I just always love where it's just like, well, we need to do a training. And I'm like, yes, let's do that. Because I love trying out like the different things. And I mean, you and I were chatting about this before, where it's like, what, what could work? Like, what cool tool could we use, but like making sure that the tool is simple enough to use, like, if you're testing out a new tool, and you're doing a training in it, and you're like, guaranteed, it's new to your users, you're gonna spend most of your time teaching them how to use that tool versus the content itself. Like, for example, like I was recently on like this larger group call. And we were all crowdsourcing ideas on this Canva board. And I mean, I've used it here and there, but when you're in a group of like, 30 plus people on it, it's a little visually overwhelming, I think, and I happened to be in a smaller group with someone, and she was just very, like, stressed. And I was like, It's okay, we're right here and like, rich and she's like, What am I am clicking on this and then someone's moving it and I'm like, oh, yeah, so it's like trying to keep it simple. So I think that's part of what I love about just building out like let's test something here's something and just almost like that freedom of you. give something a go. It does not land. And then if you have to repeat it again, it's just like you learn again, you know, like I recently came across this quote, and I thought it was very applicable. I think it was Henry Ford. And it was like failure, if I remember is like simply the opportunity to begin again, this time more intelligently. And so I thought that like, especially if when I'm like teaching and facilitating things, if I have to do it more than once, the first one is always kind of like my dress rehearsal, as much as I want to be prepared. Things will happen, Zoom will stop working, you know, like, my, my neighbor, and my workspace will start being super loud, even though they've been quiet all day. And like things just, you know, happen. And then the more you do it, you get it. And so like, just like that iterative, iterative process, I also really enjoy. I mean, I can't forget, I know it's a multimeter. So many things, it's easier to probably be like, what don't you like, although now I don't have to grade anymore. So I'm like, it's all kind of great. So I'm like, it's fine. Yeah, like facilitating, I will say, though, I prefer facilitating and teaching in person than remotely.

Luis Malbas  
Right. Right. Wonderful. No, that's great. That's great. And thank you for, for all of them actually going through some new training right now and kind of working with one of the trainers. And I think she's having a pretty difficult time. So I'm going to just pass some of that info along. Because, you know, the first time we got trained on something was terrible, and that it's true. It's just a dress rehearsal. Next time, we'll definitely do better. So for that, anything you wish you'd known before you started your career in instructional design, that you could tell yourself, like, you can go back in time and say sky, do this.

Skye Suttie  
Yeah, I would say like, I would tell myself like it's okay to, I think I've gotten better. But I think it's okay to like say when, like, you don't know. And I mean, because I know some people ascribe to the whole, like, fake it till you make it. I'm not a fan of that. That just like that kind of stresses me out. Because I'll be like, they'll figure out that I don't know. I think like this create having that confidence and like trust in like my ability and like my, like my gut, you know, because sometimes it's like, you'll go through and it's just like, as soon as I get that, I don't know if that's gonna work. I pay attention to that. Because there have been times where I've pushed through a little bit now. It'll be fine. And then in the middle of it, I was like, Why didn't I listen? Wow. Yeah. That's, I think that's part of it. It's like, overcoming, like, that fear. And just like pushing yourself to be like, just ask, or if you don't know, or, you know, now, you know, it's like, you know, like, leveraging community like this one, you know, like, reaching out? Hey, I've no idea. Has anybody done this before? And then yeah, just don't know. Like, what you'll find?

Luis Malbas  
I love it. I love it. Um, so you're the Senior Manager of organizational learning, development and openly and you. You work remotely? Yes. Okay. So, any challenges with that? Because that your senior manager of that's, that's, that's a, you know, a nice title to have. And working remotely, that there must be some challenges to that.

Skye Suttie  
Yeah, I mean, it's, well, one, it's, I don't know if I'll ever be able to go back into an office, even though I just said, I'm like, I love facilitating a person. Yeah, I do. And I do still have opportunities to do that. Like, I'll travel to different places. I'm going to be doing that in a couple of weeks, we're going to be having a team off site in Chicago. But I will say like with with remote, some of the adjustments. Oh, I see a newborn Oops, my colleague, and she she joined. Thanks, Anoop. So I think some of the things I've hit like, Oh, I really hit because, you know, we all started to work remotely during COVID. But it was different, you know, because it was like with a company I've been with for a long time. And so then transitioning into a new role at openly. I think the first thing was social isolation. That was something I really had to just be very mindful of. And so I've started to be very intentional about having like, reaching out, having those connections, our company uses slack very heavily. I think, you know, in a good way. I mean, like, I have a whole channel like, we crowdsource names, and it's called, the more you know, and of course, like, I was thinking of it, as you know, the more you know, like those commercials on NBC years ago, and I'm like, do you do the more you know, yeah, yeah. leveraging those, and just having those intentional moments where all like, I'll reach out to members of like, of the team and just say, like, Hey, how's your day going? And just being a bit more, because it's like, otherwise? Like, once I hang up with you, like, I'm going to be sitting here in silence. Yeah. So it's a it took me a while and to get used to that. I mean, so I think it's about having those intentional, like checking points. And just reaching out to people like our team does things like where we have like different like Slack challenges where we'll pose different questions to each other, and then people respond, and it's a way to get to know each other, because we're all spread out. I mean, like, my manager sits in Utah, and my team is like, people are in like, you know, the Boston area, Wisconsin, Arizona. So like we're all really spread out, I mean, openly is just a US based company, but we have people in I think about 4648 states. Wow. So I mean, I think like that, and it's like building relationships, I think especially just from the l&d lens, I've been, you know, very intentional, intentional about putting myself out there. So like, at one point, our VP said to me that I've become like, the face of the people and culture team, because I am like, Well, I hope that's like, not annoying. I mean, she didn't know why, but like, I'm involved in like other committees, like on purpose, but also just because like, I want to get to know people in a different way. Yeah. So I'm on like, the fun committee, and we do different events with the teams and like, try to get people like engaged and, and part of what happens is because I'm comfortable, facilitating, I often get tapped to support others who have facilitated with someone years, and like coaching them on how to develop their presentation skills, because they get a little bit nervous, which happens. I mean, everybody gets nervous. I mean, I was nervous before this, it happens. A human being like, and so I think, like, that's part of it, but but I think of it not only just as an employee, but also just in the space of being in learning and development. Because I think something like as an educator, I take that responsibility very seriously of creating a safe space for learning that it's okay to say, I don't know, or I tried this, it didn't work well. And I think that like psychological safety is very top of mind. For me. I just finished a book club where it's like a four stages of psychological safety highly, it's a very, very good only, like, 180 pages, highly recommend, okay. And, but it's just as an educator, I think we have that responsibility to, you know, create, like to make sure people feel included, to make your feet people feel heard, and seen. And so I think through that lens, I will often be the one who reaches out first, like, I'll pay attention to things, you know, like, you know, develop those relationships with people. And it's just yet because you lose something over zoom. Right? How can I then have that create those? I mean, that was thankfully, you know, with organization, yes, we're 100% remote, but we still have the opportunities to come together with different team off sites. And because of my role, I've had the chance to go to other teams off sites and do different trainings. So I've had the chance to work with quite a few of our groups. And yeah, I've gone to meetings with them, and I've talked with them. But there is still such power in seeing someone in real life and being like, oh, like, you're taller than I thought you'd be or like, whatever it is, but it's just like, it's something like my manager said like, because I met her only like a week after like, in person only, like a week after I'd started. She happened to be in New York. And she's just something about being like, Hey, I'm a human, you're a human. Okay, changes something in the relationship. So it's so nice, like, but it takes effort.

Luis Malbas  
It seems like you probably get pretty busy on Slack. Like, it seems like I can imagine your, your organization like okay, we got to bring Skye in on this. Let's bring Skye in on this, like, especially when anything facilitation related, comes up, you're probably like on speed dial on the DMS for on slack for everybody openly. It happens.

Skye Suttie  
I don't mind that, right? Because it's like, they're the subject matter experts on theirs, but like, you know, their content, like you don't want me to train actuaries like that. Coming in, and just like supporting them. And, you know, that was one of the groups I worked with in person. I went night with our insurance product team.

Luis Malbas  
Ah, nice. Some and speaking of a group I have you had on your LinkedIn profile about how you trained like, I think 750 young adults and professional business communication.

Unknown Speaker  
Yeah, it was I'm just kidding. What was that about?

Skye Suttie  
Um, so that was part of the workforce development program I worked for so I was a teacher there for quite some time. And I just taught like this so that students would be with us for a year and so for the first six months, I was when I would be one of their teachers and I taught like business communication skills. So things like you know, email, LM l email etiquette, elevator pitches, public speaking, grammar, I remember when I came in, and they're like, oh, yeah, you're gonna teach grammar. And I was like, Sure, that'll be fun. I have a degree in English and then it was like, like compound complex sentences and weird how do you use semi colons effectively in commas, and I was like, what it's like to be it's like one of those skills where I knew when to use them, but to have to teach it to somebody else. Yeah. Teachers, the student right now like, let's go and stay to chapter ahead.

Luis Malbas  
Oh, that's hilarious. No, I know how that goes. That's great. So, at openly now, how are you using technology to enhance what you do?

Skye Suttie  
So I have to find ways, you know, of course, like so we use Zoom, like I mentioned, like Slack is Black is life definitely become more of a connoisseur of slack I mentioned, there is like the Learning and Development channel. Also do some other you know, and so like trying to, I mean, if I had my druthers, I would just post this to them all day, like, you should read this, and you should read this. And it's just like, oh, wait, y'all have other jobs? This is so let me be, let me be mindful of that. We are using a skill Academy, we just recently launched us on Udemy. Okay, we've been using that. But in terms of like trainings at all do, I guess it's almost like Am I old school because like, I'll use like, I'll use Google suites. Google Suite scuze. Me and so we'll use, you know, of course, like, you know, PowerPoint slides, but I try to use like breakout rooms as much as I can. And boards, especially, I've recently discovered arm like came across Padlet I'm not sure if you've heard of that one. But I'm like low key obsessed. It's just it's, it's, it's free, it's easy to use, I figured out how to use it and under a minute. So I highly recommend that one especially that's just like a great like, almost like you can create a board of like resources, and it links to different things. And it's just, I'm using that right now. And I'm in love, I'll sometimes test out Canva sometimes I'll use lucid. But you know, similar to what we talked about before, I want to make sure to keep it simple. I don't want to come in and we're you know, some we have some people on staff who've, because we use Macs. And so we have some people never used a Mac, there, we have some people who've never used slack learning curve there. So if I bring you on, never use Zoom, right? So like I bring you on to zoom. And then I'm like, here are all these bells and whistles with all these tools, they're gonna be like, I gotta go, you know, and I don't want that small, perfectly try to just like keep it as simple as possible. So that doesn't, it's not a distraction from like, the key thing that like we're trying to accomplish. So trying to bring it in, you know, somewhat, you know, where it's so it's easy to pick up.

Luis Malbas  
That's the key, right? Would you is openly considered like a tech company, I looked at it initially.

Skye Suttie  
We are we're InsurTech. So like, if you look at like the breakdown of our staff we have, it's really split, it's like once, like engineering is huge. And then there are many different teams within there, you know, like data management, back end, front end, even more, I'm sure I'm missing some. And then the other side is more like you have claims. We have customer service. We have business development. And then of course, you know, finance and then people and culture, which is where like talent acquisition and then HR falls under.

Luis Malbas  
Right, right. And of course, oh

Skye Suttie  
yeah. How can I leave out like the insurance product people? Like, why we have our product? So yeah, so it's kind of like, I mean, I mean, that's not my background. That's, I mean, so I think part of you know, creating that, you know, psychological space safe space I mentioned, I, you know, put my money where my mouth is. And I will quickly be like, I have no idea what you're talking about? Or is there a place where I can learn all these acronyms? Because there are a lot of acronyms and insurance. I'm just proud to know that F N O L is first notice of loss. And I'm like, Alright.

Luis Malbas  
Wow, no, that's interesting, because I know that some of the tech companies have the dot loi at the end. And when I first looked at your profile, I thought, oh, you know, tech ID, but not necessarily because it is

Skye Suttie  
ultimately the name comes from because they wanted to just like be open and clear about insurance since that's the origin of the name.

Luis Malbas  
Yeah. Nice. So it seems like you'd like your job. I do. Yeah. That you're a passionate person. What keeps you inspired?

Skye Suttie  
Think communities like this. I think I actually, I think I found my job through a member. Because Kara posts her. She's so awesome about posting those, like instructional jobs. Yeah, I posted this. And I was like, Oh, let me apply. And then like, a month later, I had the job. Oh, awesome. So I'm also in a couple of other communities that I wanted to, you know, give a shout out to. I came across one. It was a different someone had said, oh, you should look this one. It's called off BT was one word. It's like a fellowship program. But it's just they have like a him speaking of slack, they have a Slack community, very active on LinkedIn. Social media, like have tons of workshops and resources. Mainly based, like out of Europe, but it's just, you know, l&d is lnd. Yeah, and also another group I'm in is like, l&d shakers. And again, just having, you know, the opportunity to like work with people across like cultures and I mean, there are people you know, it's it's International, which I think is like super exciting. Yeah. So like those types of things and just there's always more to learn and like the the good in people are there and bringing that out. And I'm also just inspired by like people in my own life who just, you know, push themselves and have that growth mindset. And, you know, like, when they come across something that's really hard, they just like buckle in harder, and you're just like, I got this and like, figure it out. And I'm inspired by that, where it's just like, they're like, I don't have it yet. And I think that growth mindset definitely inspires me.

Luis Malbas  
That's great. I love it. I need to know those those other communities. It will you said it was offbeat. You said

Skye Suttie  
offbeat? Yeah. Like oh, FFBE at?

Luis Malbas  
Wow. Okay, so how do you find them? Would it just be off? Be up? Just look off me.

Speaker 3  
Thank you was I can actually oops, offbeat.co.

Luis Malbas  
I think I'll have to chase those down. Because I'm, I'm always interested in checking it out. And I would love to know more about who those those folks are. And then the other one was

Unknown Speaker  
Ellen shakers.

Luis Malbas  
Okay, l&d shakers. All right. I'm going to take a look at those. Okay, let's see someone posted in chat. Oh, okay. So Oh, Cindy said that she is in shakers as well. So check out and then Kim is asking is growth mindset different from open mindedness? They sound the same.

Skye Suttie  
Interesting. I mean, I take like growth mindset to be that we're always evolving. And when we encounter something and like we make a mistake, we learn from it. And it's not just like one and done. open mindedness. I think of more it's just that's a great question. It's but it's more like in regards to coming from a place of curiosity and not judgment. Think I might have just lucky like hit referenced at last? Oh

Speaker 3  
wait, I've

Luis Malbas  
only seen a couple of episodes. So now.

Unknown Speaker  
Oh, my God, no, no spoilers.

Luis Malbas  
No spoilers. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Um, all right, we got a couple of minutes left here. How do you stay on top of your professional development?

Skye Suttie  
I mean, I wish I knew who was it who said this, like John Melton, I think, who said like, I wish I could just take a year off and read and I'm like, me too. Same. I'm constantly reading, I'm a very avid reader, I rotate between, like, I'm rotating between about three books right now. They're all very different topics. It's how I can keep track of them. I listen to podcasts a lot. While like, while I'm walking, I live in New York City. So I walk everywhere. So I do that. And then I mean, frankly, it's like through communities like this, you know, like in events and try to stay, you know, on top of like, you know, also like, I'm a member of them, like a TD and so like their magazine is like super useful. And I created this like reading list of like suggested reads that I shared at openly. But it's definitely like a like a bucket list somewhat for me and like terms of like professional development. There's so many books on there and like, Oh, it's so beautiful. I spent like hours curating this list. I'm happy to share it.

Luis Malbas  
actually really cool to see.

Unknown Speaker  
Yeah, sure.

Skye Suttie  
Happy happy to do that. I know. I showed it to my manager. She's like, how long did you spend on this? I'm like, the time is irrelevant. It's a social construct. That doesn't matter.

Luis Malbas  
Oh, no, that would definitely be a really really cool share. If you if you ever have Yeah, sure. Absolutely. Happy to Yeah. Was it is it good reads that you can like sort of do that where you can. I don't remember there's I just

Skye Suttie  
have mine on like Amazon, just like so if you want to buy if I wish. I wish bookshop had something like that, but they don't.

Luis Malbas  
Okay, nice. All right. So if you weren't an l&d professional, what would you be?

Skye Suttie  
I think I would have gone into sustainable architecture. I had, wow. Very different. I always, I loved Legos. As a kid, I actually wanted to be an architect. And then speaking of not having a growth mindset, my dad was like, Well, you got to be really good at math and science. I'm like, well, there is that dream, because I was definitely like a humanities kid. Yeah. But I think like that was something like I would want to especially just in New York, you know, here there's so many buildings that can be like, repurposed and made more efficient instead of like that tearing down, which can be so unfortunately too common where they just like tear down things and then rebuild something. Like really quickly. That happens a lot, unfortunately, but that's probably what I would what I would go into I know very, very different. Yeah,

Luis Malbas  
I love this guy. It's it's very, very cool. Okay, so I actually have one last question that was submitted by Anoop. What do you feel are the biggest challenges employees face In developing their skills?

Skye Suttie  
Great question, I think people get caught up in how much time things will take. And so they create these barriers of, I don't have enough time for it. And I think sometimes it can be those mental blocks that gets in the way, when you can learn in, I mean, you and I were talking about micro learning earlier where it's been, it's just like chipping away at something like, you know, something as like, you know what, instead of watching the news in the morning, I'm going to turn off the TV and I'm going to read a chapter in my book, you know, in that type of thing. And then before you know it, you've finished it. So I think it's just like creating, like making learning a habit. And not just like, it only happens because your manager is making you go and do it. And then there are so many opportunities throughout the day, where you can learn like, you know, going for a walk, I listen to podcasts when I'm at the gym, I'm listening to a book and my facial expressions are probably giving away the when I'm listening to Mike. Ah, yeah, but did you think like those moments exists throughout the day of just constantly, where we can constantly learn.

Luis Malbas  
Love it? Okay. No, that's great. Thank you for that answer. And let's see, I am taking a look here. Did you say I did a growth mindset session for my team today, growth mindsets are driven by a desire to learn? Hmm, absolutely. Yeah. And Bobby is saying that it strikes me that open mindedness can be passive where you're willing to receive new information, whereas growth mindset is active.

Skye Suttie  
Yeah, that's a great distinction, too, for sure.

Luis Malbas  
Yeah. Yeah. I love it. Love it. And Quetzal says, I feel the same about 24 hour gyms. Related to that was all right. Well, that's it sky conversation for Friday. I appreciate you taking the time out, to chat with us. Really, really enjoyed the conversation. And thank you so much for supporting to LDC. I'm glad that you're a part of it. And what was it four stages of psychological safety that I got to look up? And then I'm going to take a look at those two communities off beat.co. Maybe I have to look it up. Oh, I looked at I pulled up Padlet, too. So that is something I have to

Skye Suttie  
look at. Now I can send you the links after to. Okay, yeah,

Luis Malbas  
I'd love to see that. That's one of the things and then you also had three nice quotes in our conversation, which I don't often get that in our TL guests. So that was kind of cool, too. So thank you. All right, everybody. Well, next week, I know that we have something on the schedule. I do want to mention, though, that that on I think is June 23. And 24th. There is a big event that TL DC is actually hosting. It's called the learning exchange. Mallory Steele is using the aremy platform that TL DC has to produce an event. I think there's something like 57 sessions is the ton of speakers. It's only two days. So there is a lot she has concurrent sessions running. And I think the registration just opened up. So if you go into the Slack channel, you should find it. I know somebody posted about that in there. But it is something related to DL DC, it is free and I think it's gonna be worth your time. I'll start promoting it now. I've just kind of been waiting for me to go ahead. So take a look at Slack. I think it's TLD chat that us if you want to get into the Slack channel, and oh, and Cindy just posted the link to l&d shakers. And, and with that sky. Thanks again. You give me real Oh, thanks. Yeah, no, it's, it's it's super fun doing to DC and I get to meet people like you.

Unknown Speaker  
Great. Well, thank you so much. I appreciate

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