Community Showcase - Margie Meacham

Luis Malbas  
Let's get started. All right. Hello, everybody. Welcome to the training, learning and development community. Happy Friday to all of you out there. Let's see, who do we have? We have. Oh, we have Trish is here. I only know because I see your picture. It doesn't look like some of the names in this version of Crowdcast is displaying. But let me see here. Let's see if it breaks it out a little bit more. Oh, yeah, there we go. candy sugar, man. Let's see. And we have other people that are registered as well. Kara, spray, Claudia, Cindy Deborah Decker. Lots of people are registered for this one. And yeah, with good reason. Margie is back after a after participating in our conference from a couple of weeks ago, we did the AI labs, our first ever AI labs with CLDC. Margie was a speaker there and did a wonderful job. It was just so fascinating participating in that event, and learning about how other folks are using AI in our industry and sort of just even their comfort level with it. And Margie, you're particularly fascinating to me, because you have your background in neuroscience. And then I remember early on you were getting into chat bots, like what is Margie up to? And then you ended up writing a book on AI and talent development. And that was a few years ago, that was 2020, I think, right?

Speaker 2  
Yeah, right in the middle of the pandemic. So a lot of people missed it.

Luis Malbas  
Yeah, yeah. I mean, that was before, chat, GPT. And everything that is happening now. And now here are all these tools that are becoming a regular part of our workflow. And you've kind of been at it for awhile. So it's great that you're taking the time to be a part of a shoot showcase. And I know you wanted to talk about using generative AI to develop learning experiences, but I do want people to get to know you a little bit more. Okay, and I know we've spoken before, but things that fascinate me about you is your struggles with learning when you started like, there's a whole story about that. So do you think you can talk about that, like, your struggles with learning and how they shaped your career path?

Speaker 2  
Yeah, sure. Now, I didn't know it at the time. When I was a little girl, I was what what was wood until very recently would have been called dyslexic. Now it's sort of talked about in terms of a broader spectrum of learning disabilities, because they tend to all be connected. But it makes it very hard to read. And still, if I am, my brain does funny things, especially if I'm tired, because I am consciously telling it how to read. So in first grade, I couldn't learn how to read and my teachers were wanting to hold me back. Hi, there, Cindy. And my family resisted, because the option was to put me in and forgive me for this term. But at the time, that's what the teachers and experts use. They said she needs to be in a slow group. And they said, no, no, no, no, she's not slow. You need to figure this out. And they said, Well, look, it's up to you, if she can read by the time the rest of her class, you know, comes back, we'll keep her with her age group. Otherwise, we're going to have to hold her back. So all summer, my whole family and I have five siblings was trying to teach me to read with my parents. And it was my baby sister, she was about three at the time. And she had Dr. Seuss books. And she didn't read herself, but she had memorized them because we read them all to her so much. So she knew what was on every page. And she read to me, and she read over and over the same book, The Cat in the Hat. And finally, some something just clicked with that repetition and looking at the words on the screen. And I started being able to read at that really basic level, and then I could, you know, gradually improve. And it turned out and this is often true with people with that same learning disability, that they're really very good students are very intelligent once they get the hang of it. So and there's a lot of techniques now that that are taught to people with those disabilities. And I had to kind of figure them out on my own. But thankfully, I did with a lot of help from my family. And that got me interested at a really early age and the brain and how everybody's brain is different and how you can study that and get better at different things in life. So when neuroscience started to be a topic and learning and development backup, gosh, about 1520 years ago now I started paying attention talking to neuroscientists. And in fact that led to my first book, brain matters which still does really well? And how do we connect that science to practical things that we can do to help people learn? Well, more recently, AI and neuroscience have been working together. So I was in a really fortunate position to jump into AI because already understood what a neural network was, from studying the brain, yeah, applying that to an artificial brain. It's not much different, in many ways simpler. So the fact that those two fields converged and cooperate with each other really helped me see the potential early on for some of these tools. Like, for example, understanding why chatbots are so powerful for learning because it to your brain, it feels like another person, your brain has learned that digital images like if, if we put someone who had never seen a computer before, and studies have been done, like people growing up in indigenous people totally removed from technology, your image your mind, when we say mean nothing to them, right? Well, they haven't learned how to interpret that as people yet fact, they might even be frightened by it. But we've all learned that. And so our brains respond, just like we're in the room together, we're having a social experience, as well as, you know, factual one. And that it just the same thing with a chatbot. Even without pictures, even if it's only text on a screen, because we've already learned that we can communicate with others with text on a screen. That's both what's so powerful and potentially so dangerous about AI is that our brains are so ready and willing to accept any output that it gives us. And that's another whole topic that we really need to have, that I'm paying a lot of attention to is the ethics and the implications, and how do we as learning professionals, educators, stakeholders about that and make smart decisions? Because if we don't do it, we can't necessarily trust other people, particularly not the vendors to make those decisions, because they've got to sell.

Luis Malbas  
That's interesting. Yeah, I, you know, I was just reading the other day I, because I am somebody that likes to browse, read Reddit. And there is a subreddit for chat GPT, there where there was this big conversation happening where there was somebody who was having some, I guess, maybe some emotional issues, some mental health issues earlier this year, and he was using chat GPT to talk to, to help them get through some of this stuff. And it was really helping him like he felt like he was actually able to talk to he was talking to somebody that was helping him get through some of these issues. But he said over the last month or so, check GPT for maybe it's 4.5 I don't recall, but it's, it's starting to degrade to a point where it's no longer as useful as it used to be for him. And so I think that's fascinating, just from a brain perspective, that here was this artificial intelligence that was somewhat functioning as a therapist, and, and helping this individual. And that's exciting,

Speaker 2  
isn't it? But yeah, and by the way, a lot of people are saying, hey, GPT three was a lot better. Yeah. GPT 4.5? Yeah. So you know, something's going on there with open AI. And they're working on it, I'm sure. But, yeah, it's, we want to jump right in and use these things. Right. But there are risks, because and because of that, what I really feel is our best opportunity right now. So let's keep an eye on all that stuff. And wait for more evidence that there they not only work but they're safe. Yeah. What if? What if that artificial intelligence counselor give some kind of advice? That is not recommended? That is disturbing to that person? Yeah. Now it could do more harm than good. But as productivity tools, they are amazing. Typically, for the kind of work we do, right? So that's really where I'm focusing my attention now is, let's, let's take it for what they're good at and the weaknesses. And even for that, we have to be aware of hallucinations, right? You've all heard the term the AI industry inventor, then I believe it was actually open AI to explain away the mistakes. Well, their mistakes. Yeah, they're just flat out falsehood. So let's, let's be aware that that can happen. What's happening right now is we have all these different AI's connected to the internet. They're starting to Help each other without telling us that. So if one makes a mistake, it gets magnified. And really interesting study was done where a professor and it professor asked, it doesn't matter where it started, but let's just say it was borrowed to find an article written by him that he did not write he No, it was, it should have come back. Sorry, that doesn't exist. Bard came up with this whole summary of it. And here's the, you know, where it was published. Well, he wrote about that error. And then because he wrote about it, now it was then he noticed it was being picked up by Claude and thing. And so now it's out there, he can get rid of that falsehood. Now. That's very dangerous. That means that people who intentionally want to give us wrong information, have really easy tools to do that now. And it's getting harder and harder for us to tell the difference. Yeah, I

Luis Malbas  
guess we should probably check to see what is writing about us, writing about us nowadays, especially folks that have like, an online presence. So Mark, you can ask you like, kind of your opinion, and this is kind of a big question. Okay. So, um, ever since I've been in this in this industry in l&d, I mean, I was told early on that, that basically, l&d is about 10 years behind in technology, behind everybody else behind it behind sales, behind marketing, all of that stuff, that, that everybody in the in the training department has to deal with, like, you know, kind of older technology. And that's just the way that it is. Do you think I mean, how do you think AI is going to impact that or even just now, like whether or not AI is going to is going to affect that level of, of or sort of make things on? make things more on equal ground for for l&d?

Speaker 2  
Yeah, I, first of all, I think that it's generally true. That's really why I wrote the book AI and talent development, because

Luis Malbas  
yeah, many everywhere. Three years ago,

Speaker 2  
investment banking was using AI, there was a lot, there is a lot of AI in our daily lives. And the same was true a couple of years ago. And yet, we didn't have access to those same tools. And they would have easily been adapt, adapted to learning use cases. Now, there's always exceptions. I work with the training department. So while the US armed forces, while they're, you know, they get AI, they've been using it in other ways, like the wage war. So it wasn't that big of a leap. And training is very important to them. They're an exception. They've, they've got a lot of that going on. A lot of times, we just don't either have the time because learning professionals and I don't know how the folks in the chat feel about this. We're overworked. We're overworked. We're underfunded. And a lot of times we just have to get the deliverable off our plate that staring us in the face and and a lot of time to develop our own skills, which is why T LDC is so important to me and to all the rest of us. So, you know, I was happy that I met you early on and got to take advantage of all these wonderful programs. So that's a lot of what happened. Now, I want to show you guys something that I think is really interesting. And this is going to probably jump into the rest of my talk, Louis. So is that okay? Yeah, yeah, totally, totally requestion. I'm going to share my screen and show you an article that just came out this week. Cool. According to Morgan Stanley, and you guys can look this up, I'll throw this in the chat. I just want you to look at the headline, more than 40% of the labor force will be affected by AI in the next three years, that certainly is going to apply to us. So this is the article. So we're going to be forced to catch up. Those of us who don't catch up eventually would honestly we're going to fail to compete for jobs or promotions with people who do. So it's not going to we don't have 10 years to catch up. We have maybe a year before that's going to be required skill, like prompt engineering, for example. By the way, there's already another generation of AI being developed that will go beyond generative AI. It's probably going to come up at the end this year, which is soon or early next year. It's starting to be late. So, you know, you just barely get your handle on.

Luis Malbas  
Margie, you have to talk about that. What's this next generate, because I don't know anything about it. Some people

Speaker 2  
are calling it interactive and there, it might make possible something, I'm just dying for a true virtual assistant that talks to me understands my schedule, make sure I don't double book my calendar, weeds through the email and says, Hey, these are people you probably audit, you know, answered, because, as you can imagine, right now, my emails just blowing up, my calendar is getting really busy. And that's, you know, we're all that way. But for me, it's a one woman shop, it's hard to manage that. So to have any guy that actually talks to you in a spoken voice, which you can do today, but it takes, you know, a few tools to do it. Yeah. And remember to and that you trust enough to give access to your file. So it can really do work for you, and only you, and it's not going out on the internet. That is a and that it combines all the capabilities. So you don't have to have like one like mid journey for images, you know, pick three, four videos, 11 Labs, some of those, if you guys want to see quickly I use regularly and could talk to about I have to cobble together five or six tools right now, if I want to make a good video, for example. But I still save a ton of time doing that. Now they're talking about now they know enough things to ask those of us who use those tools, have given them feedback and have trained their tools. So we've been working for these companies, whether we realize it or not. And now, so now they're going to be better. And they're going to be more integrated, basically. So yeah,

Luis Malbas  
let me um, I want to drop in. So the event that we had, it was a free event a couple of weeks ago. And I just want to drop in the URL, because I think you can still register and get into watch the recordings. But unless you're a member those I'm going to actually take down those recordings pretty soon. Maybe on Sunday night or so Monday morning. But here's the here's the link to it, you should if you haven't already signed up for that event, sign up for it and just, you know, watch what you can try to get caught up because I think it's just important to know, you know, some of the tools that are out there, what the possibilities are, and this is specific to l&d processes and systems. So I think it's really applies to a lot of the folks that might be that might be in chat, so. So, you know, there's the link there. And if you're a member, you can have access to the recordings indefinitely. I'll be sending a message out for all of that. But otherwise, I'm trying to, you know, watch a few that are on there that it really is valuable stuff. And then I know Mark, do you had something that you wanted to share just something you wanted to show us?

Speaker 2  
Yeah, I'm gonna do just something real quick, just to give you a few ideas because I know, this is, you know, a quick update also, through my email into the chat and also on LinkedIn. i If you happen to watch the recording I made a special offer to to LDC members, you can still take advantage of it. So if he's available, go ahead and write me and I'll get it to you because I have a a you know, I hate this word actually masterclass, but the people helping me market so that's what I should call it. But it'll teach you how to be more productive.

Luis Malbas  
Can I post that link into chat? Yeah,

Unknown Speaker  
let me just grab the I actually, I had it

Luis Malbas  
in my font in my

Unknown Speaker  
Oh, yeah, go ahead.

Luis Malbas  
So I just posted it in there, because I did look at it.

Speaker 2  
Okay, so let me just introduce you if you don't know how many people are working with Claude.

Luis Malbas  
You know, personally, I was not using Claude until after the event. And I've gone back and have started using Claude but I'm still definitely more on chat. GPT but I don't know if anybody in chat if you're using post,

Speaker 2  
press about chat GPT I think Claude writes better and it's connected to the internet. Now it can still hallucinate, so you still have to fact check it. But I want to walk you through something I just did as a tiny piece of my masterclass is the term algorithm is real problematic. Everybody's using it usually in the wrong way. So I had Claude explain it. I get basically a rough draft. I tinkered with it a little bit, and I've just teed this up already. This is what I did. I just put in this prompt. And I got all of this text here. Amazing accents. One thing that you can do with that is maybe make a country song about why everybody is using this word wrong. I thought that would be fun. And I took sadness, you know, it's a country song. So song about Oh, am I still sharing? You're sharing? Yep. Okay, so song about why the word algorithm is incorrect for AI

Unknown Speaker  
30 characters, okay, do

Luis Malbas  
you have it in a different window though? Because we're I'm not seeing it update at all.

Speaker 2  
Oh, okay. You know what? I have to switch.

Luis Malbas  
Okay. Oh, there you go. All right.

Speaker 2  
So this one is fresh sponsor.org You can have it generate in all kinds of different styles watch out for rap because that it's Where's I have bad happened in our life AI showcase. You remember, I always

Unknown Speaker  
call it swears. Wow.

Speaker 2  
30 characters is really small.

Speaker 2  
All right, so my topic. Oh, I had it typed in. But I didn't. Okay. I gave it some keywords. I gave it any motion algorithms, not an emotion, sadness. All right, now it's January. The other thing I'm amazed at is how quick these tools are. Now while that's generating and well, it's show something else. And this is where we're going to use that. Oh, here comes last in the binary spray. I'm in traveler lost. This guided by cold hope code. My heart beats out tangled web of deception, sadness. So anyway, you get the idea.

Luis Malbas  
Wow. Maybe you let me grab a guitar and I can write.

Speaker 2  
Yeah, yeah. So you know, if you want to have some fun in a training class, your design, maybe you want to country something to tell you. Now I'm going to show you 11 Labs, I love this tool. What this does is it'll make any kind of voice you want for voiceovers. And this is where we're going to share that file.

Luis Malbas  
Margin. Just real quick, the AI country lyrics one is that one something that is plugged into? Is it using like chat GBT as the engine for generating that, you know, or is it something that is completely separate?

Speaker 2  
A lot of times, these apps are using some kind of language generator underneath. I don't know if it is GPT or something else. They agree package it with, you know, right? Or whatever. For example, bang is run a chat GPT Yes. But you know, what you're working with? It's been so a lot of times you're finding that the underlining tool is in fact something else. That's a great question. And part of the awareness we should all have. So let's take a look at that 11 Labs a little bit. Just because for me, voiceovers are so hard to get right. And people want my voice but I make mistakes. So what I did is I taught this tool to mimic my voice and it sounds like me with no mistakes to me, and I thought you guys would be interested. And so then I type in my script I hit Generate generate this takes a little longer to run. But Luis and I did this before the session and we have an audio file you can listen to let's see what you think and let me know if you think it sounds more or less like me. So how are we going to share that file Luis?

Luis Malbas  
You know what, I don't know. Yeah,

Speaker 2  
let's let me do this. I have it as an audio file. Yeah. Now me and I already put that in here. And you know if for some reason you don't want to write me I also sent it to me so he can share it with you just so you can hear it. And and that's another tool. And then probably one of my favorite is once I've used all these other things. So I've use Clyde. I've used some kind of maybe M Images and so on, I can go and make a video. Oops, and I don't have my text copy, let's grab my client test. Song You see, there's still a lot of conscious work. It's not like an AI is making this, you as the human are making decisions that just a different kind of decision now, right. So this would make a video. And again, that's going to take a while to generate you see the little spinning. But once again, I didn't share the tab. So now I'm in victory. easy this is. So I created a new script, I just called it album, I pasted what Claude told me about that. And then I click Proceed. And now it's working to create a video. So all of this just saves me a lot of time and makes me more productive. And I'm creating a lot more training content, because I have these tools. So that knew that that's my main message is don't be afraid to jump in and start using it. It's really valuable to save you time, that's probably more valuable right now than some of that ways like we talked about like as a counselor or a performance coach only because that's much more complex. And you have to be very careful of unintended consequences, it can certainly be done. But it might not be something you want to jump into unless you have more background and can do some actual coding and training and have as you know, a database it's going to take you so very possible. But the safe way to get into this stuff is with the tools. If

Luis Malbas  
you're when you're saying it made a video, it actually creates a video.

Speaker 2  
Yeah. Let me show you one that's been made already. Because that one, it takes a little longer, but it makes a video. So let's see if I can just share.

Speaker 2  
Okay, so these are the various projects that I've made. So this one

Speaker 2  
is half done. And so this is my script. I pasted that in there. This over here, the image choices and the text overlay. The AI did that. Now I'm in the middle of editing that, for example, I'm not wild about the naked guy that you see right there. It's a statue, but it's kind of questionable. But a lot of these are pretty good. So it's a free account. This, I started with a free version of picture and was using it so much that I now pay for it. You know me and when we send a one woman shop, I don't pay for it. Unless I'm really convinced to the value. This is one I would invest in if you make a lot of videos, it's I think it does a very nice job with some of these. Like, for example, I'm going to move that text because I want to see the cute little birdie. So you know, you make decisions on the final look and feel. And you can even upload your own images. If you don't like anything, the tool comes out. But let's say I wanted to change that image. I could go over here to visuals and I could pick something different. So social connections. Maybe I pick that, ah, how quick that was also. And now that's in my video. Now you see the watermark for Getty Images. Yeah, when you download it, they all go away when you finalize it. And that's true even of the free version. It's just that you can't create as many videos as interesting all day. So it will also give you you can pick all kinds of different audio files, you know, music background music, or you can upload your own. And you can upload your own narration or you can pick voiceovers, you have all these different computer generated voice and they are pretty good. And you can pick how fast it talks. You can do it in different languages although I caution you with that. Just you know have somebody if you don't know that language, be careful I'm, but I, for example, I added my own audio files, which I made out of 11 Labs, so I could use them in this course. So it sounds like me narrating, but it's me, having been trained, you know, it's an AI that's trained to sound like me that I created. So you can do that with visuals, I have special pics, like my picture, and special specific things I wanted to show, you know, so these are all things that are uploaded for the purpose of that project. So do not stuck with their library, but they do have a very good library. And if you want to get fancy, you can put some backgrounds in. So it's, I think it's a terrific tool.

Luis Malbas  
How long does it take for it to render?

Speaker 2  
Um, depends on how much content it is how much text Okay, so I would say maybe about five minutes 10 minute video me, you know, longer for some of my longer videos. So it's, it's definitely a tool worth trying. In fact, that one. Let me just put that link in because I really think that one is worth everybody checking out. If I can get I don't want to give you the link to my account is why I'm just looking for that. General one. Yeah, I am.

Luis Malbas  
I'm I'm looking at it right now. Because I actually have a script that I wrote for, for our next event, which is about Dungeons and Dragons and l&d.

Speaker 2  
Oh, dear, yeah. Let's give you my script. I'm sorry. That's okay. But that's all right. Feel free to borrow it?

Luis Malbas  
I love it. That's great. That's fine.

Speaker 2  
Yeah, I think it's just picked three.com. But definitely the search for victory. That's cool tool. If you do nothing else do that one. If you make videos at all, or you're thinking about it, so tell me about your video. What are you going to make?

Luis Malbas  
Oh, well, it's just the script. It's like so we're we have this event that's coming up that I'm really, I mean, it's kind of crazy, but I'm just very excited about it. We have a few speakers like Jonathan rock and Christy Tucker and Jon Stewart is in anyway is about using concepts from Dungeons and Dragons in instructional design. And so there's a whole backstory that I've been putting together that's associated with it. And I wanted to I mean, ideally, a video that would explain the backstory would would be really, really helpful. So I'm going to run that through through pictures and see what happens. Because it's

Speaker 2  
real interesting. And I'm just looking now to see if they have any Dungeons and Dragons. It

Luis Malbas  
doesn't look like any other templates. But you do have to just pick a template.

Speaker 2  
The template just tells you where the text placement is, as default.

Luis Malbas  
Oh, I see. I see.

Speaker 2  
So, and you can create your own templates and you get to move that text around. Anyway, there is one image in their library under the when you search for Dungeons and Dragons. So what you'll want to do Luis is upload, you know, if you want to have more specific references to that experience, you'll want to grab some screenshots or images of your own and upload them so you can use that. But yeah, that would be fun. Okay, just

Luis Malbas  
a quick one last question, Margie, and then we got to wrap up is what do you think the future of l&d like and you've been in this industry for a really, really long time, you know, the act the the impact that AI is having on on l&d At this time, like, what do you see like in happening next year, three years, five years, any any ideas?

Speaker 2  
I would say within the next two years, any kind of job description for an l&d role is going to specify aI had specific applications rather, just like now it might say you must know storyline. So that if you are expected to continue to be employed in this field, that's going to be an expectation. I also think there's a huge opportunity to develop yourself as an expert in these tools now in market years. sounds that way and get a jump on that trend. And that there will be more specialty roles probably developed within l&d. I suspect that term instructional designer, which already in my opinion, just my opinion, covers too much. Yeah, hurt knees for what they pay expect way too much technical expertise. And they get, because we have it, yeah, get it at substantially less salary, which is one of the reasons why I went out started my own business. Because if you're passionate about learning, you want to work in this field. And yet it has not historically been valued, as highly as a an IT expert who works with many of the same tools. So I think it's a huge opportunity for us if we get on board, to separate ourselves and to justify higher salaries, and better working conditions and be valued for what we are. So that means positioning ourselves as consultants and experts and, and demonstrating that. So very long answer. But yeah, I think that's very soon. And that within 10 years, we will all just have an AI virtual assistant, we think of almost as a companion, again, that can be dangerous. But it can also be very helpful. Like, Luis, you're working on this project, you might ask that virtual system, if you had it today, can you help me brainstorm? Does it work by ourselves? Yeah. So there are things you can do right now. You know, we'd say chat, GPT, to brainstorm. But if I have to check every piece of output from a tool, that's not a very useful tool for me. So I want the reliability to get better, I expect the industry to clean up those hallucinations. So that we don't have to. And I think that'll, that'll help a lot.

Luis Malbas  
Do you have any, any concerns about AI, becoming the instructional designer,

Speaker 2  
there are some companies that have already laid off their parts of their training department, because they mistakenly believe they can all be replaced by AI. So I think that's a legitimate concern. I'd like to think that they will realize the problem, but when really, we're the talent. We're very much like, the movie stars right now, who are fighting this battle for their images. And the writers who are striking Hollywood, because maybe they got a deal. Does anybody know? But

Luis Malbas  
writers did? Yeah.

Speaker 2  
So a four so they can be properly compensated for their work and not merely copied. That's a real risk. And I think the only way you stay ahead of that is to become someone who is more skilled than the AI, who uses the AI, adds human input, and creates a better product. And if you can't do that, then you should be replaced. So let's not let that happen. And that's really up to us. Yeah, continue to develop our expertise and our value, and we're willing to fight for it, then I think we're okay, but from now on out the rest of our lives, it's, you're gonna have to keep staying ahead. Yeah. You know, just like at one time, you had to know the elearning tools, and it got very competitive. And you had to learn those things, Captivate or storyline. And, by the way, they're all embedding AI now totally irrelevant. So you're gonna have to be able to understand that and how those new tools work. It's a crazy world we live in. I bet a good one. Time AI is saving lives. It's discovering new planets, it's, you know, it's helping with climate change. So it can be a great boom to our society. And we just need to unfortunately kind of solve it by surprise. Most of us did not.

Luis Malbas  
You talked a little bit about critical thinking too, right?

Speaker 2  
Yes, yeah. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Please, please please let's get that out. Because critical thinking is that really the only salvation it's the only thing humans have that there is doubt have yet we need to understand how to make the right decision. So like when I showed you and I did that video, you know, if I were someone with a different mindset, I might have just said, Okay, great. Download it, send that off to my client, with the naked man on the first screen. Maybe not the right idea. I generated rap song live because I wanted to experiment. And there were cuss words in there bad words, you know if and those are just simple examples, but that's what critical thinking adds is that reflection and judgment and balance, and that's what humans do. Unfortunately, it's well documented that some people come out of school without those skills, skills are no longer teaching it, businesses have to pick up the slack. So we need to push for this, to teach it earlier and often, and we need to reinforce it in business whenever we can

Luis Malbas  
totally agree, I think critical thinking was one of the best things that came out of the the English degree that I barely use, but

Speaker 2  
English degrees teach you how to think. Yeah. And you know, anything, if you can still find those kinds of social studies degrees, I found it to be great preparation.

Luis Malbas  
Excellent. All right. Well, Margie, thank you so much for spending some time with us today, I really appreciate your support for to LDC. And just being there. Let me I just so that it doesn't get buried. Everyone here is Margie. Once again, I'll just copy and paste that link in for her workshop. And so that is in there. And just message, Margie, if you if you want to be able to jump into that one and still or take advantage of the discount that you're offering.

Speaker 2  
Yeah, so. So it's coming out later this month, it will be really focused on learning and development professionals and just sharing the page the length at least gave you and we're going to talk about things like first of all, understanding the language, but then the real focus is how do you save time? Yeah. And so I'm on a mission to save us all time. So we can focus on that critical thinking and the consulting and the things that only we humans can do. At least right now.

Luis Malbas  
All right. All right. Thanks, Margie. And don't forget everybody, I mean, higher up, we have that link to the AirMedia instance, where you can still register for the AI labs event that took place a couple of weeks ago. So check that out if you can, we're gonna be closing that platform soon. So you'll want to get in probably a lot of great speakers. Just incredible. All the different tools and stuff I learned so much. And thank you again, for this picture, you're probably going to see a video that I'm generating from it. Point two really, really soon. So thanks for that. And with that everyone have please have a good, great weekend and we'll see you next week.

Unknown Speaker  
Yeah, thanks, everyone.

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