Community Showcase: Nadia Kader

Luis Malbas  
All right. Hello, everybody. Welcome to the Training, Learning and Development Community. Thanks for joining us today. We've got a couple people in this one today. Let's see, Christiana is here and Bobby's here. Welcome. And our wonderful guest Nadia Kader is here. Oh, did I pronounce that correctly?

Nadia Kader  
You did.

Luis Malbas  
I'll take it. Okay, I didn't do that beforehand. Um. Another member showcase.

Luis Malbas  
And we were actually kind of having a very interesting conversation right before. But before we started, and I wanted to kind of carry it through. And you had mentioned that, that this is an interesting project, just doing Member Showcases. And, and I really like when you said you were like --- just sort of the people that are already out there-- the ones that have really high profiles. Just sort of how it seems like some of what those folks do like, I guess, it seems unattainable, like being that out there. Is that what is that? What was that what you were saying?

Nadia Kader  
Well, yeah, I'm saying because the people that we're exposed to right were like, Let's follow, you know, Devlin Peck and Tim Slade. And they're actually really approachable people, and you watch their videos, then they're not super snooty, or up there anything. But the stuff that they make is so incredible. I've I don't know if other people felt this way. But I've kind of felt like, wow, how can I ever get to that point? Yeah, but they've been doing this for a very long time.

Luis Malbas  
Yeah. And that is really interesting. I love I love that, you know, you're sort of commentary on that. Because I have, you know, I came in to this industry, pretty much mostly with an IT background. And I didn't even know what instructional design was when I first started working for the eLearning Guild, and I would meet all these people at conferences, and you know, all the speakers, those are the only people that I knew, and I had no clue that they were kind of within this space, sort of like celebrities and stuff. But it's all attainable, like, you know, I mean, that's one of the things that I love about being in this community is I see, so many of the practitioners, you know, and anyone that is just interested in just participating and getting going, you're pretty much like, on your way there. So even just doing a member showcase like this, I think is a great way to sort of start just getting yourself out there and making improvements in your professional development and all that. So congrats, Nadia, here you go. You're here.

Nadia Kader  
Yes, I've made it. Um, you yen Cindy writes in the chat that we can all create on that level and apps. Yes. And you're absolutely right. Um, it's kind of more of a, I guess I would just say perhaps an insecurity sometimes that we can feel that this is just so good. How can we do this, right?

Luis Malbas  
I want to mention something to about that is sometimes I actually have to not look at LinkedIn, because I get so intimidated. Hmm. You know, I start like thinking, oh, man, what am I doing? I'm way over my head. And I get like, major imposter syndrome. Because like, what? Why do I think that I could actually even talk to somebody like, Nadia right now, you know, like, I actually, like, get these feelings of like, what, what gives me like, What business do I have, like trying to do this. But the thing is, you know, when it comes to this community in particular, I really do feel like it's just important to, to just connect with people and talk to people and just find out like, more about them, what drives them sort of their backgrounds. And that's for me, it's almost more journalism than it is anything else, I think,

Nadia Kader  
Oh, yeah. Um, I do have to mention, I really love this model. I said it in the greenroom. But I also I'm on the State Board for my, the New Mexico Adult Education Association, which I kind of got relative less than a year ago, relatively recently. And one of the things that we've been looking into is how to connect members from all around New Mexico because New Mexico is a very low population, we have about 2 million people, but they're so spread out. And most people in the field of adult education do not connect together until COVID. And I've actually been looking at the showcase as a model. Because we're looking at different ways people connect, and I'm on. I'm on the Slack channel. I follow your fellow a couple others. I've been watching these videos. And I was thinking that this can be an excellent model for really any association with just common communication and it's not a requirement, you offer it, Whoever joins the membership. And you can just give people that platform to talk about what they're doing. Hmm, no. And, and I have to say that I've, I'm kind of trying to get it going, but we'll see in the next year or two,

Luis Malbas  
definitely do it. And if you need any help, let me know, I would be happy to help. I think that this is a great model too. And in fact, I just started talking to somebody locally, that is doing like, he is working for the city council for the town I live in, and he's trying to push like some Zero Waste initiatives. And I'm like, dude, let's like if you I do this thing with an online community, and if you want to get people together, we can talk about, you know, some local things. And let's do it because I think I think it could work. So try it. If I can help in any way. Let me know, I would be happy to tell you what I've learned. You know, the last like, we've been doing this for, gosh, four years now. So yeah,

Nadia Kader  
I will definitely put you up on that.

Luis Malbas  
Now, let me start talking about Nadia, because I want to find out more about you. And like, you know, this, this is how you got into learning and development and became an instructional designer. So like, what, what is your what was your journey into it? Like?

Nadia Kader  
Wow, yeah, that's kind of a winding road. So I was really doing a lot of jobs just to kind of keep myself in survival mode in New York, because I'm from New York City. And I was just doing anything. And then jumping ship whenever things got too awful, which is usually a really great strategy. I gotta say, just keep job hopping until you find a job that is not so intolerable, that you dread going to work. So I was doing that for a bit. And as I kept like trimming the line, I'm like, Oh, this job sucks. Because ABC let me go this other job. Oh, this job sucks. Because BCD keep going. And then I was like, Well, maybe it's just these jobs aren't working for me. I was I was doing a lot of customer service. Ken says that honesty is refreshing, I'm very honest person. So be careful that um, but so I was doing a lot of retail and customer service. I got into coffee. So I was a barista. I love coffee. But don't it's not so much working with people. I couldn't see myself opening my own business someday. So I was teaching on the side at this community based organization in New York called the Brooklyn Public Library. So they have their own learning center where they help students get their high school equivalency or in New York, it's they use the task test. So I really loved it. But there's so on nonsustainable. So I was looking for other ways I can leverage my, you know, learning because I love to learn, I love exploring things. And I just found a bunch of just, you know, accidentally kind of, it's just thinking about how content is created, that the teachers use, and thinking about what that looks like, and how that can look in other forms. So I actually took a lot of LinkedIn learning videos, because with your library card, you have access to that. It's free. Yeah. So I did a bunch of that. And I started looking for people with an instructional design background with that title. So I connected with a bunch of people on LinkedIn and just said, exactly, I'm just following you know, what's going on. If you have any advice, I had to hit about three or four informational interviews with people, which I'm sorry, I don't remember their names, except for Kara North who was super helpful. And she's also someone who's, you know, top of her game, and really leveraging her knowledge and bringing it to people via LinkedIn and other sites. Yeah, so yeah, so as I'm learning all this stuff, I'm just I'm still teaching, and I'm trying to figure out how to get to, let's stop doing coffee shops, working six days a week, let's figure out a way to get this done. And I really like the southwest, my partner, I've been here a few times, and we're like this place to chill. So I just started applying for jobs in the southwest. Cuz I was like, Oh, I don't know, New York is killing me. And my partner was like, very straightforward, was like, Nadia, you're not gonna get anywhere unless you start applying for jobs and really thinking about what you want to. So I applied for this job. I got a full time job as a teacher, like, immediately, wow. Because I knew a lot of online skills, like how to use from those programs, and also from my teaching, because it was during COVID. So everyone had to learn how to teach online. And I knew how to use Google Classroom really well and how to teach and using certain platforms. So they kind of like were really interested that I knew how to do this stuff. So I got full time teaching job moved to New Mexico. And actually, I haven't announced this yet versus my colleagues is I was recently Utley promoted to instructional coordinator and designer. Because while I was teaching I was also taking on projects has really thinking about instructional design a lot. I was like, How can I get this into adult ed. So I volunteered. So I was building stuff, I actually created a self paced course on Google classroom for students to learn about careers, because generally speaking, people don't have a high school diploma, they're not really exposed to different kinds of careers. And sometimes they usually go for like what someone they know is doing, or something that pays really well. Which isn't, and I don't know if anyone else felt this way. But usually just going for the job that pays the most money doesn't always work out for you. In the end. Generally, some people are really lucky, and it works out. And that's excellent. But sometimes other parts of the job kind of get you right. Um, so I built that course, we called it the career pathways course. And we're still updating it and going through it.

Nadia Kader  
And then I just started taking on some extra projects, just learning how to build something and doing this research and showing the other teacher is, and then I was like, this is a lot, a little much. So I was thinking about how my skill set can leverage my organization. So I actually wrote down a list of stuff I could do that hasn't been isn't being done, that I know I could do, or at the very least learn how to do and create a coordinator position and give it to my supervisor. And we didn't have this position to exist before. And we're still hammering out the kinks. But basically, I was just like, I can do this. And I know I can do this. So and this is what our org needs to grow. We're a tiny nonprofit that has like six people, and we're trying to build it. So I was like, here's my skill set. Why don't we try this out? And they gave it to me? And we'll see how it goes. Maybe, you know, I don't know, maybe next year, I'll have an unemployed Nadia showcase, but but we'll see how it goes. But, um, my point is, is that how I got into learning design is really just doing things. Yes, seeing what I could do, how I could push into my schedule, more anything else I can learn or, and how to apply it. And I think that's a huge. Um, let's just a huge thing is just, we can learn so much. But if you're not able to apply it in multiple settings, then it just kind of sits there. Right. Right. Right. Um, so yeah, so I was just having a lot of conversations about things, I learned a lot of the stuff that we do and learning design, for the most part, what's exposed to all through LinkedIn is corporate. So how to translate that corporate learning design into this nonprofit space in this education space, which for the most part in this country, has largely been very isolated and tiny and underfunded.

Luis Malbas  
Yeah, yeah. How what? How was that challenge for you like being translating that into, you know, from the corporate side into, into, you know, something that would be like for a nonprofit?

Nadia Kader  
Yeah, so how that has, that's been a little challenging, because for the most part, we have no money. So anything that we see, that's really cool. It's like, does it cost anything? Whoops, no? No. So it's really thinking about the principles involved and the learning objectives and how we can change that. Yeah. So it's, it's been challenging, but I love challenges. I really jump for them. And if I could spend a couple hours a week just reading about this kind of stuff, and really thinking about what is missing or needs to be improved upon? How can I take this knowledge, shove it in there and just work on that? And that's kind of like the Google Classroom thing is like Google Classroom is not a learning management system is a very basic format that teachers use to just put in content. And how you do that can be radically different. So limiting, but within a limiting structure, you actually can be very creative.

Luis Malbas  
Yeah, yeah. No, that's wonderful. I want to back up just a little bit, because Bobby is asking about the the library card and be having access to LinkedIn learning. I know that that's available at my local library, and I live in a very small town in northern California. And so and I'm not surprised in Brooklyn, that that's the case there too. So I don't know if it's universal, Bobby. So I don't know if have you heard that at all? Not yet. I'm not sure all libraries offer LinkedIn learning, but I don't

Nadia Kader  
think it's all libraries. But if you go on your library's website and you look for their resources, it'll tell tell you what they do. There is available. Now if you have a small county library, is there any way to be attached to a larger library system, um, because there are some places that will have like a commute kind of like a county library, but then something a little slightly different or maybe a newer, another county that has larger, more access. Yeah.

Luis Malbas  
Okay.

Nadia Kader  
Okay, so Bobby says no chance in connecting. Um, you know what? No problem. I, um, I hope that works out. Um, what else I found is sometimes Udemy would do like these will have these a couple times a year, will those slash prices of courses down to like, maybe $15? A course yeah. And sometimes I'll buy like a couple in bulk and just save them on my platform. Yeah, you could also take Coursera classes without paying some of them by not being able to do the test or anything like so sometimes, you could just take a course and kind of audit it. So you can watch the videos and get the reading. That's another way that you can just find a way to just, you know, teach yourself

Luis Malbas  
right now, those are great tips. I actually I do the Udemy thing, where you actually just use different logins to get like that intro intro price for certain things. But yeah, yeah, there are a lot of different a lot of different ways to, to get in there. And, and there is just so much incredible stuff out there. And hopefully, Bobby, that you'll figure out a way to get that that the library thing and LinkedIn learning work is, that is a really, really great benefit, but check with your local library anyway, they might have other things latched on to it that, you know, that could be kind of special as well. So um, so Nadia, I want to ask you about, you know, it sounds like you've been doing this instructional design thing for a couple years, is there anything and learns? It sounds like you've learned a lot, but is there anything you wish you had known? When you would start it out? Like anything in particular that you wish you had known early on? Right when you're getting into it?

Nadia Kader  
Hmm. Oh, man, I I feel like I've kind of like my own journey. Yeah, I'm, perhaps what I, I would like to wish is that learning design is not only stuck in the corporate place, like because I was really actually toying with that idea that we'll have to leave nonprofit places in order to get a career. And sometimes I still do feel that way. But I don't really want to I really like what I do. I like the space I'm in. So I would I would, I guess what I would say is I wish that there were other opportunities to learn about learning design in other spaces, because sometimes it could seem very similar because of what we're exposed to.

Luis Malbas  
Yeah, no, that's a great point. And I'm really curious as to like, what you do like about what you do in a nonprofit and about the space that you're in right now? What is it that you like?

Nadia Kader  
Well, why don't mine is particularly special kind of nonprofit in that it's, it's community based we, while we do have like, we rent space, for a main building, all of our classes are actually in shared spaces and community centers, and with one elementary school, so we're kind of around the city a little bit. So what I really like about it is it just feels very connected. Like I feel, even though I'm getting more into learning design and leaving the classroom, I, I still am able to be connected to students, because we have these meetings, we have what we call potlucks with them every six weeks. So we're working on structuring them, so more students will come to them. And they can meet different times of people outside of their teachers. So what I like about being in that space is just feeling very connected to the community. And also feeling connected to the people above me because they do make themselves available in the way that I've seen them very often. And we have conversations. And even though of course, there's a hierarchy, it doesn't feel like there's someone I never met, like, um, in some spaces where I've worked, there will be like a higher up manager or like supervisor, Director, that you don't even know who that person is. So then when they come, you're like, Who is this guy? And then he has to have a bland conversation with you about teamwork or something. And then you don't see him for like six months. And it's just so like, so detached. So, I really like about my space in particular is that I'm able to be community based and also structurally connected to to people.

Luis Malbas  
Wow, no, I enjoy that. I enjoy that type of thing too. Was there more of a culture shock for you in going from New York City to to New Mexico. Are you in Albuquerque? Is that where you're at?

Nadia Kader  
I am in Albuquerque. So I am the largest city in the state. But yeah, it's completely different. And what is what constitutes a city is also different. Because, you know, I grew up in New York City. So my idea of a city is very different than other places in America. And I gotta say, I was pretty ignorant on that. The fact that you can't walk everywhere was such a culture shock. Like I was just want to go to McDonald's last year, and we didn't have a car yet. So it's like, okay, let's, I want to try a shamrock shake. I never had one. So I ended up. I was like, Oh, this McDonald's is only like, 1015 minute walk from me. But I'm like walking on a side of a highway, trying to get to this damn McDonald's. Because it was so weird. Because I did end up getting the shamrock shake. I just didn't want to pay for an Uber and, but one side. One side had this like, tiny little sidewalk. And then there's just these huge roads, and there's cars going constantly, so it could easily slip and then just fall into traffic. And it was, so it was ridiculous. But, um, yeah, so that kind of culture shock. Definitely. I'm hearing. I've heard people say, I tell you what, like when they're getting really serious about talking or like or contextualizing which I only heard from King of the Hill. So I was just like, I thought this was like a cartoon thing. And now I feel terrible. Like, I tell you, what,

Luis Malbas  
are you integrating it into your like, in your daily dialogue now?

Nadia Kader  
You know, I try, but it's kind of hard without feeling a little silly, because I didn't grow up here. So I kind of feel like I'm putting on a costume to that. But it's, it's colorful. Um, one other huge culture shock from and I don't know if any of their other New Yorkers on here is that people in New Mexico, of course, there are people that don't like New Mexico that grew up here. But when you meet the people that like New Mexico and grew up here, they actually like it. Like they're generally like seeing balloons in the early morning. They love the nature or like the food and stuff like that. But like in New York, I don't think people actually like New York. Anytime I've talked to a real New Yorker, all I ever heard was constant complaining, which I do too. That's totally me. But I mean, realize, like people, when people like New York and are from there, it's, it's, it shows very differently. And it's more like, well, the subway sucks. The food's terrible. There's garbage everywhere. I don't like seeing homeless people. But where else am I gonna live? And that's like, the mentality is like, everywhere else is worse. So we have to be here. And seeing how different that is. It's just like, No, I like New Mexico. I like, oh, it's Tumbleweed season, or let's go walk on the Boska. It's just, it's just such a different, like, more genuine kind of, I don't know if it's genuine, but just for amicable feeling about the space. We're in New York, it's just usually anger

Luis Malbas  
is great, daddy. Oh, man, thanks for sharing that this is good stuff. So um, let me get back a little bit to some of your, your learning and development stuff. So how about some what kind of projects you're currently working on?

Nadia Kader  
Well, right now, we were working on a phase two and revamping our Career Pathways course, which is implementing student feedback, and trying to get it more interactive, which is limiting because of the space, the space that we have to use Google Classroom. And so we're going to work on that I feel like I have so much on the back burner right now. I'm currently creating a volunteer training. So it's going to be like, say, asynchronous with a synchronous component. So it'd be like build, which I am, again, using Google Classroom. So they'll learn about our org, learn about best practices in tutoring, how adult learners are different from K to 12. And then, once a month, they'll come in to a space with me and then practice what they learn. So that's our general idea right now. We haven't ever had a kind of volunteer training like this, it was really more of like kind of a meeting or so like one or two meetings with the director. But now it's kind of more trying to get them the volunteers that we do get in this to make sure that they are prepared. So we're working on that. We're trying to I'm trying to use learn a little bit of graphic design. I don't want to say that but So I'm not a graphic designer. I've been using Canva. And I'm working. I know someone's gonna say in the chat can was not graphic design. Yes, it's templates, I understand what I'm gonna work on moving up from graduating from that at some point. But we're trying to work on just getting people more just how to get walk in how to get people more interested in joining our program and getting their high school equivalency. So I'm also working on kind of marketing stuff. So I kind of just hobbled together this role, and different and I'm doing a lot of different things. Oh, Bobby writes, Canva has a free design school conference. Oh, thank you. I'm gonna look into that. Thank you, Bobby. So yeah, so I made a couple of posters in Canva. And I, yeah, I'm definitely putting that in my calendar. Thank you. Again, Bobby. And I'm actually working on creating business cards, and just trying to create an image, a brand image of our school. And that is easily recognizable, because generally speaking, how people find out is the biggest, you know, org that does it. Or they live in a near space where we have classes. So they'll probably see a sign or something like at a community center, or they'll go to like a big school, and they can't get into the school or doesn't work out for them. And then the school would give them a list of other places that do. And it's like, that's not the best way to get foot traffic. So we're looking into other ways where we can get more foot traffic traffic and also create just this brand image that people will associate with us outside of Gd. Yeah. Yeah.

Luis Malbas  
And it sounds like you're you do a bunch of different things. You're not just like, focused on one, you know, sort of instructional design project at a time. It sounds like you're doing a little bit of marketing there. You're doing like operational things. It sounds like you do a bunch of different stuff.

Nadia Kader  
Yeah, that comes with a territory of nonprofit where people wear a bunch of hats, but I actually do love that. And that's another thing I would miss in kind of a more corporate space is kind of sticking to one type of role because I love just playing around with so many different things and learning a lot. Yeah, so I'm doing a bunch of stuff. I'm also going to start a professional development project, just looking into how we can keep our our teachers up skilled, and stuff like that. So that's another thing.

Luis Malbas  
No, that's great. So how about this? I mean, we talked a little bit about it before, but your own professional development endeavors? Like is there anything that you do specifically to help you stay on top of things in this space? Or just, you know, keep yourself going. We heard about LinkedIn learning Udemy and Coursera. Anything else that you do?

Nadia Kader  
Yeah, I'm definitely keeping abreast of community ism. And because of the people on this, you know, just on right now. Yeah, I'm definitely they know about already being on Slack channels, signing up for email list. And I know you guys probably do, this is not something new. But just keeping abreast of things has been so incredibly helpful. I've learned a lot just from YouTube to following certain personality. So people that you follow on LinkedIn, if they do YouTube channels, if they do other kind of stuff, just and sometimes they they compile stuff to like, here's where I learned how to do ABC, right. And if you just follow these people and give yourself some time, a couple hours a week, like you can definitely really change so much about what you're doing, which is exactly what I do.

Luis Malbas  
So who Who do you follow on YouTube? Is there anybody in particular you can throw out there?

Nadia Kader  
Yeah. Ray said before, I've been following Tim Slade. I love I love his quick videos, because he does excellent just sometimes five to seven minutes on just a topic. And you can expand on that with you know, by just taking what he's talking about and just really searching and looking to see who else is doing it and then getting into it more in depth. I also really liked devil and pecks videos. I've caught I've followed Karen north to she does what does different stuff. I'm actually pulling up my YouTube subscriptions. Just remember because I'm like attached to a bunch of stuff. Um, oh, you know, sorry. Elearning launch. Also I took some classes with elearning launch. I totally forgot about that. Yeah, yeah. with Alex Salas, he He's great. He's a great person, you know, adventurous spirit to say, Make learning design dangerous. I love it. But yeah, just keeping on these things and seeing who's talking about what, and just really thinking about what you're interested into, because I'm not super negative on corporate, but I'm also not like super looking for people. But if you are, there are definitely people out there that have this online presence that you can follow and learn from. I would also say, Oh, Cindy writes calf Ellis. Yeah, I've Kelsey is great, too. There's just so many people out there doing so many, like different things. And I think it's like really just a boon, right now that we have this internet and we're able to do all this sometimes I'll like, just check out some videos in the middle of the workday. And I'm like, I'm having stuck on a project, I'm not sure what to do a pull up, you know, anyone that I have a subscription with, and just like, really think about what they're saying. And we have this access so easily. Mm hmm.

Luis Malbas  
No, I totally agree. And I feel like if there is something that you're focused on in your professional development, just those, you know, subscribing to people on YouTube, or even podcasts, email lists, or whatever, just to keep that stuff top of mind can is really, really helpful. Because I not only do it for TL DC, but like, you know, I play music too. And so I also have this regular sort of array of different musicians and stuff that I follow on YouTube that, you know, it just keeps me in that in that headspace. And I try not to, you know, jump into anything that is too distracting. But for the most part, I feel like I can stay focused on the stuff that I'm trying to do by by filtering properly, you know, so, yeah, I totally agree with you, especially like newsletters are a big one. For me, I subscribe to a lot of newsletters unsubscribe to a lot, too. But those are actually helpful in my inbox, I have to say,

Nadia Kader  
yeah, absolutely. Um, you know, I would also recommend for you guys who are looking for work, or if you're not looking for work is just subscribed to some like Job newsletters or stuff like that, because I'm not looking for something, but looking to see what other orgs do kind of helped me create not saying that you're gonna make your own job like I did. But it can really help you narrow down what you want to do or what you can do, or what you think you want to work towards, you know, because especially since if it's an aggregation, you're going to see stuff that's very similar.

Luis Malbas  
Yeah, that's a great, great piece of advice. That's absolutely true. Yeah, there you go. Rubina, who is definitely helps other people that are looking for work. She's saying that's a great tip. Okay, well, let me see. I got a couple more questions for you. And I gotta wrap it up. Sure. Let's hear more about some of the other kinds of jobs that you've worked your barista

Nadia Kader  
I, yeah, um, I was a barista in an independent coffee place and two chains. One of them don't exist doesn't exist anymore. I've worked at Walgreens for like five years that put me through grad school for four or five years, something like that. It was awful. But it definitely made me realize like, I can't move up here. There's no people do and not to bounce. It was definitely like, not for me, right. It's just not for Nadia job. And I kind of helped me like kind of like, okay, I can cut all these store jobs. I'm doing this anymore. Let's see what's next. Um, I was a contractor for this company called Rico, and they make printers but they also do Office services. So I was in office services. And my role would be different every single day. So I would walk into the building, and then they'll tell me, Well, not yet someone called out. So you have to go right back out there and go to New Jersey. Be a receptionist or something like reception, mailroom, stuff like that. And I hated it. I learned that having to not knowing what your schedule is every day drove me crazy. Or at the very least, I have no control over that. If I can control my own schedule, then that's for me. That's another way just keep job hopping. Um, I was also a contractor at an EPA office where I went through records of decades of Environmental Protection Agency stuff. And they would they compile information about everything like every environmental disasters involved, but that also includes newspaper clippings scientists reports. Pictures. Um, and all I was a document scanner, so I would just have to document, I would have to reach a minimum of a couple of 1000 pages a day of just scanning these old clippings and science reports and then making them into PDFs. It was so boring. Um, but again, it was just like, and I was told by people there, there's no you're not, there's no moving up, you people just keep on their jobs until they like, get to sick or die or retire. So you have to like really think about, and some people are like, miserable. And I'm just saying you don't always have to listen, everybody, but get an idea of the work culture when you start these jobs and just really think about how can I be a document scanner for 60 years? Because I have Okay, health insurance.

Luis Malbas  
Yeah, yeah. No, that's totally. That's a good one. This is awesome. Okay, one last question. And then we'll close it out. If there's one thing that people should know about you, what is it?

Nadia Kader  
Oh, one thing that people should know about me. I mean, that can be so many different things. Um, you know, I, I am a hustler. I will work I have and done really terrible jobs to keep myself alive. That's one thing about me is that I will try my damn hardest to keep going and jumping around. So it's, it's something that people should know about me is that I love a challenge. And I I'm resilient.

Luis Malbas  
Yeah, no, that's great. And it's, you're definitely a solutions person. You know, I just totally get that. Like, you're you you come up with answers. And I think that is, is absolutely fantastic. Yeah.

Nadia Kader  
I just want to add in the in the chat chat, Kim, you absolutely right. Someone would love that. And people do love jobs where they can just do the same thing forever. And I actually commend them because I get so bored, that I have to keep jumping. And that's actually not great in certain things, but if you love what you are not even if you don't even love what you do, but you know that this job is getting you to do other things that you love. Mazel, Tov cofee you keep going. That's great. That's a great quality to have. It is. Yeah, so I just want to add that so sorry.

Luis Malbas  
No, no, thank you. Nadia, I really appreciate your time. It was great talking to you. I am very happy that we had this showcase is really, really great to talk.

Nadia Kader  
I yeah, this was great. And thanks again, for just having these talks. I really do enjoy them so much. And learning from so many different people actually hope that some of the people on here do have member showcase if they haven't already. I believe Robina had one with you. I've reading I think I've seen a couple of you. You got yourself out there. I've seen you on a few different platforms. But yeah, you guys, for you guys who haven't done a membership showcase. Do it.

Luis Malbas  
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Bobby's got one scheduled coming out. But yeah, absolutely. I love doing these member showcases. And, Nadia, if you ever want to do another broadcast, if you've got anything that you learned that you want to share, I'd love to have you back on on a broadcast. I'm sure all the folks that are in chat would appreciate it too. So keep that in mind. You always welcome to do another one.

Nadia Kader  
Thank you. I look forward to that. I really have a great day. All right.

Luis Malbas  
Thanks, everybody. I'm gonna wrap it up. We'll see you next week. Bye everyone.

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