Intersections in Learning with guest Andrea McEneaney

Monique St Paul  
Thanks for listening to the intersections and learning and development cast, the series from the training, learning and development community. My name is Monique St. Paul. And this cast focuses on forging relationships that foster effective learning no matter where you start, whether you design, develop, deliver, support, or consult and or all of the above, we hope to provide you with new ideas, inspiration and connections across the l&d community.

Good morning, everyone. Hope you're having a terrific Tuesday. My name is Monique St. Paul. Welcome to intersections and learning and development. Art. My co host is here Lisa Crockett. And she's going to disappear in a few moments. But we are our guest today is Andrea and I'm gonna pronounce this hopefully correctly. McEnaney Yes, thumbs up. There we go. And she is a co founder of ID Lance and we'll be discussing the learning intersection she experiences as an ID, learning technologist, recruiter and community builder. We really wanted to talk to Andrea today. Because the intersection of ID lands with freelancing highlights an important consideration for all freelancers, which is how can you work independently, you have a community to fall back on for support as a sounding board for creative and technical challenges. So, Andrea, I'll actually let you give a little bit more about yourself bio that you want to share with us good and bad. Go from there.

Andrea McEneaney  
Yeah. So as you said my name right. I'm Andrew McEnaney. i Yeah, I'm a co head honcho, we like to but aka co founder at ID Lance. And we as she said are we have a community of freelancers that we support through you know, we support each other through like mentorship and whatnot, but also just like daily life support, honestly, with like, work and projects and managing your time and do How much do you save for taxes, that kind of stuff. But what's cool is through starting that community, we've kind of organically grown into an agency where we are actually using our freelancers to staff gigs for companies. And we've got some like pretty exciting partnerships with like zoom and Fleming Steakhouse, and some cool stuff like that, that we're really excited to be able to bring our freelancers into gigs like that. Personally, I as most people was like an accidental instructional designer and that I didn't know that it was a thing. until like, I realized that someone told me it was a thing. And I had been doing it in all my jobs, but I didn't really realize it. And then once I realized it was a thing I sort of self taught for a while, I scrapped my way into being an instructional technologist at the Orlando County Library or Orange County Library System in Orlando, doing like technology classes and stuff, they actually gave me a test on Addy to take like a hand written test on Addie. And then I had to use Adobe Captivate and I had never touched it in my life. And the guy was like standing behind me watching me do it. I did find I faked my way somehow i He also gave me some hints because he could tell that we could be friends. So he was like, looked up there. But ever since then, I've been working in Instructional Design and Technology for I was at Western Governors University, strategic Education, Inc, like my day job stuff has been in higher ed but all my freelance work has mostly been corporate. So I've kind of got all that going. But I've been freelancing, I think since I don't know, a while now while no and my co founder actually is the first person who gave me my first freelance instructional design job. So now

Monique St Paul  
I'll ask a question that maybe is easy for you to answer but what do you like about technology?

Andrea McEneaney  
i This is key I just thought of this answer. Now, I probably have answered this differently before but I kind of like being having to work within the limitations of the technology. It's like okay, here's a tool it can do what it can do. Do something with it and it might not exactly so what you were trying it might not do exactly what you wanted to do, but make it work like with it so I kind of like that about it but also I mean technology in general is amazing. You can like be swimming and watch your iPad and watch terrible TV at the same time. Actual design related but hey, I could be streaming your podcast while I'm swimming. That is

Monique St Paul  
true. And then I would ask for people who want to be instructional designers as you did it yourself. What would you encourage them to learn if not Addie or Captivate?

Andrea McEneaney  
Yeah, if I Okay, so I know if I had not just randomly self taught myself. Addy randomly I would have failed but somehow they just thought that would be important. Like even though I'd never used it In the job, but it's okay. I would say if you're a freelance instructional designer asking the right questions to get at, like the training issue, that is like learning how to start from zero knowledge and information about a problem, or about a company, and be able to whittle yourself down to like, oh, that's what's going on here. Because you can systematically ask questions, and sort of branch off based on the client's answers to like, get to what you actually need to do. Yeah, and then yes, I see. Yes, I'm looking at the chat. Sorry, at the same time of being talked to in the chat. Um, and then also just like, brushing up on, like the basics of learning science, right? Like, I'm no pro. I'm no theory Pro. But I think when you get exposed to it, even if you don't think you're using it, you're subconsciously using it.

Monique St Paul  
Yeah, I do know what you mean. Sometimes it wasn't me speak myself speak and go? Oh, I do No. Question for you. Can you describe your development process? And how it varies project to project?

Andrea McEneaney  
Oh, yeah, it is so different every project. And honestly, that was the what intimidated me about being a freelance instructional designer in the beginning, is I kept asking people like, what is the actual project that you're doing? Like, what are you doing? Like, oh, you're helping this company with their program? But like, are you making a document? Are you making something in an online course? Are you making a video? Like, what does it actually mean? And to be honest, most of my development process for like, lots of clients has been, they give you a big pile of stuff. And then you got to go through the stuff and sort it and realize, like, yeah, they don't expect me to know what all of this stuff is. But you kind of just have to use your critical thinking skills to like, fill in the gaps and like, make assumptions enough to be able to organize it, at least to give them something to react to, like, what I ended up doing a lot is like, I have talked myself into just going for it, just do something and give the client something to react to, instead of it's not that I don't ask questions. But I ask questions enough to kind of know what's going on. And then just produce something whether that's a storyboard depends on the project, right? Are you making storyboarding make an online course whatever? Instead of asking so many questions to the point where like, the client is like, just do something already. Like you're, you're nitpicking what you're asking me like, I never want to get to that point with a client. So that's kind of been my philosophy is like, just go for it. Even if I know nothing about what I'm doing. I just try and organize stuff, get feedback constantly, and stay in contact. So like, I try to always make sure that my client knows where things are at. And at any given time, and be really open with communication. Yeah, just like, I'm big on text. Like if clients are open to texting when I'm like working on something, can ask him a quick question that has honestly saved my life a bunch of times, because you can just develop that relationship and just be able to talk about stuff very efficiently. In terms of like, actual, like, technical development, right, where you're taking like a storyboard, or you're making a storyboard, and it's gonna be a course, I have to chunk it, I have to chunk the tasks out. Like, I can't just look at it as a whole, I have to, like, make it a game for myself and be like, Okay, let's, I'm only gonna do this little part first. And then I take a break. And I'm only gonna do this little part, which sounds like common sense. But when you're starting out, sometimes you're like, I don't know what all of this is going to be in the end. And nobody does. Nobody knows, you have to just start and then that feeling of the beginning of a new project, whether you're working full time or freelance, and you it's this kind of beautiful feeling when you start out and you're like, How will I ever do this? How will I ever take all this information, do anything with it? And then by the end of the project, you're like, Whoa, somehow I did it. And it's all because you, you've got to just chunk it out and not get overwhelmed.

Monique St Paul  
So here's the question that I have, that I understand chunking is is it linear when you chunk or is it sort of you put pieces together as they come to you and then when you see them as a whole put them in the order that they're supposed to be in?

Andrea McEneaney  
This I think the second one as you articulated it better, I just say number two I I almost approach it like when I was in college and grad school, I would write papers and I would just do whatever research was interesting at the time to me like I had the final these articles right, and that were relevant to whatever I'm writing, and then I would just write notes, whatever seemed like it was important and then color coded by category with a highlighter I had to handwrite everything back then. Um, even with my iPad, I'm like handwriting stuff, and then like I can't not pay And great to absorb it. And then I organize it later and then put it into like sections like, okay, like, here's this big pile of documents on mutual funds, right and teaching people about mutual funds. Okay, okay. Okay, like what seems to go together. And then after I've like written all my notes or like done that, and then I like separated out, and then I decide what things should go before what things and all that.

Monique St Paul  
Excellent. And as you're thinking about showing this to your client and having them communicate and sort of feedback and understanding are, do they understand what they're looking at? Are they like, this is chicken scratch notes? Or do you have a certain way that they see it before you actually develop?

Andrea McEneaney  
It depends on the client, because I've had clients that like have their own format, where you just got to put everything into their format, and whatever I'm going to produce has to be in their format. But if I'm just doing it all from my, like, if I were doing everything, right, and it's my documentation and my vision or whatever, for helping them, I I like to start with curriculum maps, right? Like where you get buy in first on like a target or not the target outcomes, right, and then get them to approve it, give feedback. And then you will whittle that whittle it down to like, whether, for instance, a project I'm working on right now, you've got the target outcomes, and then you've got the, like, the essential question, each of those things. So it's like a more down to earth way of like, what this person is going to learn if they take it. And then from there, it's like, well, what information do you need to build up to those things? And that's kind of I work better in spreadsheet form for curriculum. That's Yes. Some people I know just like to write work like word outlines, right? Here's this and then this isn't this, here's this, this and I just my brain cannot it's too you have to scroll through too much. Yeah. I'm very much into like, yeah, like, I know, it sounds like old school, but like, you know, like, Excel type spreadsheet things, right? No. All right now. Yeah. And I've done stuff like, like, you know, Miro, and like, those kinds of like, click maps and things like that. But if the client, some of my clients, like they would just look at that and be like, that's too much for me. So I try to keep it like down to earth. Right?

Monique St Paul  
Do you welcome them into that process? Do you give them access to your spreadsheet? Or do you sort of storyboard it first for them to look at?

Andrea McEneaney  
At a certain level? It Again, depends on the client. But like, if we are designing something from scratch, yeah, they'll have access to it, for sure. And then it can be collaborative. Sometimes it's collaborative. Sometimes it's like, Hey, here's this, give me comments or notes on it. But I always have like a backup version, obviously, just in case. There are things that get edited and deleted and all that I'm like, yeah.

Monique St Paul  
Always email yourself. The original version is what I say.

Andrea McEneaney  
No, Secret Folder on Google Drive.

Monique St Paul  
Okay, so let's say, how do you conduct a design session? So like, what are your favorite activities? When they give you this stuff? Is there ever sort of a conversation of how you're going to break it down? Or do you do that on your own?

Andrea McEneaney  
I tend to like to do it on my own, to be honest, like, I like time with all the stuff to figure out what's what, and even get oriented. What I really get, I don't like just being given stuff. And then like, Alright, get on a semicolon, like talk about it and ask your questions. It's like, I haven't even gotten to like, know what I'm even doing it. So I like to have some time offline to gather myself and gather notes. And then when I go into like a call with a Smee, or a call with, you know, the stakeholders or whatever, I try to make sure I've reviewed at least on a high level everything so that any glaring questions right away, will be asked because I've been in situations before where I don't know if I got busy, or if I was just being an amateur or whatever, where it's like, oh, yeah, this seems fine. I'll just start working on it. I don't need to ask anything, or like, or I'll ask this question, but I don't need to this thing looks straightforward. And then I start to actually work it on it and develop and all that and I'm like, Oh, if I have like this one huge question that if I had gotten it answered on day two, I would be my life would be so much easier, because then it also kind of makes you look bad. If you're like, Well, you didn't read that until like three weeks. Like I gave you all this. No asking me this. Now.

Monique St Paul  
They gave you six months worth of information. I don't even have to know to know that's what happened. So on to the part of sort of, were you being an amateur? So what is the biggest change you think you've made in how you approach the learning project when you started versus the way that you do it now?

Andrea McEneaney  
Confidence? That's probably the number one difference is like when I first started I feel like I don't know what I'm do. doing like, Is this okay? Like, did you know you, let's just what you're supposed to be doing Are you like, you know, like, I'm so nervous to do this call because I don't know what they're going to be talking about. And I don't even know what the project is going to be like. And I've just accepted, I'm never going to know what the project is like until I'm given the stuff. They could say what it's going to be, you could read the project brief, and then they give it to you. And you're like, you just want me to make a PowerPoint presentation. They're like, Oh, we want all this other stuff. And then then then you get to it. And I like, what you're telling me is that you want to rise course. What you're telling me, obviously, I make I do the whole thing. We're like, you make recommendations, you're not just an order taker. Like, that's part of also where the confidence comes in, though. Whereas like, I've just accepted that it's normal to have no clue when you're meeting with the people for the first time. And you and I liked it says confidence, but also, it's a quiet confidence, because I also have been in calls where I've been made uncomfortable by myself or other people when they go in like overconfident and they're like, Yeah, I know exactly what you need. And it turns the client off. And you're just like, This is not good, either. So it's like this balance, right? Of like, not talking yourself out of taking the project or out of knowing that you can do it well, because you don't know what's going on yet. And realizing that's just a part of the process and being like, you know, what? I'm comfortable in in certain uncertainty. No, you know,

Monique St Paul  
okay, no, be comfortable, being comfortable being uncomfortable. That's,

Andrea McEneaney  
like, this is what it is. And I used to think like, I could never work with like a super, super stuffy corporate client. I mean, look at me how I'm talking like, I'm just, I could never like be there on a daily basis in an office. I mean, I could, and it would be fine. And I've worked at like NBC Universal, and it survived. But I was always so nervous. Like, what if I get like a client? And they're just like, very, very cut and dry, whatever. And I've gotten that, and it's been fine. Yeah. You just, yeah, you addressed appropriately. And honestly, sometimes they need a little bit of energy. Like if you can't not be yourself, but you got to learn how to be yourself with like, in different levels, right of like, for different situations. And I used to not think that I could do that. But now, I'm like, yes.

Monique St Paul  
So question for you. Since you have sort of a network of freelancers. Do you ever meet a client and think this person isn't going to work for me? But I know an idea that this would work for? Do you think you can do that? Or? Oh, yeah, yeah.

Andrea McEneaney  
Oh, yeah, that happens, for sure. And usually, it's like, my mindset, and Parker will be proud of me for saying this, he's the co founder of ambulance is changed. And that, like, it used to be all about, like, when you're freelance, you're like, Okay, what can I do? What can I do? What can I do, you know, like, I gotta like, make a living, I gotta make a living. And now it's like, I have to do that. But you also can't stress yourself out to the point where you're taking on just so much, because you're like, in a scarcity mindset. And I found that the more I kind of recommend and let things go, and when were sub contracting, and then like, we're all finding our groove. And it's, like, it's really, really cool to get to know all the people in our community, and then be like, Oh, we just met with that client, like, you know, who would be really, really good for that this person, and then you talk to them, and they're like, oh, my gosh, that sounds exactly like what I would want to do. And you're like, Oh, my God, you're always having a party. It's like, this is gonna be great. Like that is. That's like one of the best things about being in this kind of life, right? Like this kind of community and industry and all that, because you can do that. And then it's also really fun to see how somebody else is going to take a project in a totally different way. And I'm gonna, I'm at a point where, like, I almost am like it, but this person is going to do it way better than I ever could, right? My brain just can't get to where you are client, like my, like, I could do it, and it would be fine. But you know what this other person is probably going to be great. And if they're available, I like to make that connection. And it's not that I'm turning down work left, like I still have to make a living to like, we all have to. But it's like, it's it's this kind of, it's like, you ever watch The Big Lebowski? I've seen it. Yes. We're like the dude. And you just like, I've kind of I feel like I'm like, accidentally becoming the dude. Or it's like, yeah, things are flowing and whatever. And I'm trying to, like cultivate that kind of Zen instead of being so stressed out, which is ironic, because I spent probably 32 of my years of life. I'm 32. Now I'm, like, just totally stressed out and like uptight. Yeah. And things don't go as well for me when I'm that way. So

Monique St Paul  
I can respect that. I can respect that. And I think oddly COVID has slowed people down a little bit and makes you sort of realize what might be important to you, but that's a total aside. So what is your routine to get you into the zone

Andrea McEneaney  
have to take a walk, like I have to before, I'm going to actually do something I have to walk, but also parts partly because I have a dog that if I am going to focus for any amount of time she has to be walking, she will put her nose behind my back and be like, Come on, let's go. Um, and I used to never drink coffee. But now I've become a basic iced coffee drinker. And so I usually get that. And I have to find I do have to have something on TV, or something that I can ignore, I have to I can't be alone in silence. Sometimes I'll just start a task and it's silence three hours go by great, but if I am trying to cultivate it from scratch, I have to have something that's interesting, but ignore trouble on TV.

Monique St Paul  
I'm the complete opposite of you. I need since

Andrea McEneaney  
I can't I used to write all my papers in college in Washington Square Park by hand, and then I would go home and type them. I just have to be around stuff and noise and yeah.

Monique St Paul  
Okay. How do you keep up to date with your own sort of professional experience trying to understand what's going on, or growth is the word I was looking for?

Andrea McEneaney  
Yeah, that's a good question. I think I've been in such like a survival mode for so long for many reasons in life and whatever that now I'm realizing that I can cultivate habits to sort of grow professionally on a regular basis. It's only like the past couple of years where I've like, taken that seriously. It's always been like, I gotta learn what I need to learn to do the task I have to do, right. And now, I feel like I'm at a point where like, I can go and seek out new information regularly like to stay up to date. So I tried to, like, participate in things like this and watch stuff like this. And to be honest, I wish I was, but I am not an industry book reader. So that's what I don't. That's okay. It's like when I want to read a book I want it needs to be about like magic or witches or something. Like I don't want it. But I do you know, all like peruse blogs, but mostly it's through other people. Honestly, it's just staying engaged with other people and seeing what they're excited about. And then I become excited about it. But that's kind of my main method as relationships.

Monique St Paul  
That makes sense to me. The next question that I would ask you that is totally just blinking for whatever reason. So welcome to that. Is do you have a favorite quote or mantra that you live by?

Andrea McEneaney  
Yes, I do. And I think I've been waiting ever since I read this one book to be able to mention this.

Monique St Paul  
Here you go.

Andrea McEneaney  
Okay. Let's, okay, lesson pressed more involved. Do you know who said that? I do not. Matthew McConaughey. His book is called green lights. And I know that he's not he's great. I'm sorry. I was like, yes, it's probably gonna prove he's a terrible person. It didn't it made me feel the opposite. And he said every like, he wasn't even just, he was literally just himself anyway. Um, yeah, less impressed, more involved. And it works in two ways. And I when I heard it, I was like, Holy crap, like, this is how I live my life without realizing or this is how I want to live my life. So less impressed that part. Like if you're doing really well, and you're successful, and you're like, Woohoo, look at me. Like he was a successful actor like that walked on to a roll, basically, like he tried and he like, had to, like, get the roll by putting effort in, but you don't just sit back and go like, Wow, I'm so cool. Like, this is really great. I get to like, kick back now, right? Like, I'm so impressed with myself. Because the minute you start being like, overly impressed with yourself, like things drop and plummet, and it's just like, or things get boring, but if you stay involved with like, your present moment and your present situation and the thinking about the future, like you can appreciate yourself, but you got to be more even like involved in present in your own enjoyment of your life. Right. And then the other way it works is like when you see someone else who's like you think is like killing it, like you see all those like people on LinkedIn or whatever. Instead of being like, wow, I'm like, so impressed. They're so great. I'll never be like that. It's like, no, stop being impressed and just start getting involved in your own life and what you're doing and more active in what you're doing as an individual. Right, so beautiful.

Monique St Paul  
Like, it's a question for you as a co founder. Do you feel you have any responsibility to the people within your community to support them or mentor them? Like what kind of feeling is it to be a leader that people sort of look up to you sort of guidance as they are starting their freelance career? Sorry.

Andrea McEneaney  
It makes me feel funny because I have sometimes I often feel like I don't know what I'm doing at all. But I do feel I do feel responsive. don't want to just to be there for other people because I think I've got more of like the I like Parker's like the pro at everything like he's been doing stuff for like, like most 20 something years right Parker like you're just like you just know everything and like are just like the expert. I feel like I'm like the sidekick moral support of like, yeah, like let's put funny memes up No, but but I think sometimes you just need to hear from someone who's been through what you've been through workwise and like, even soft skills wise, right, like communicating with clients and dealing with difficult situations. And I think, in the same way that people can be like, Oh, I give really good advice. But I don't, you know, like, I'm not perfect in my own life, that's kind of the situation. It's like, I can read a situation and be really objective and like, support people through stuff. But it doesn't mean that I think that like, I'm like, even better at it than anybody else. But you just need to be that person who is there for people. And what I love is like this daily communication we all have together, and we're like, getting to know each other's careers and lives and interests and stuff. And when we're all sort of individually working, I feel like that can be kind of, for me, it's been life changing in a way where it's like, wow, I actually have people that I'm talking to you every day. And it gave me like the strength to be able to quit my job a couple of times, actually, because I kind of had a nonlinear path. And like, it's really cool when people are coming back to us and being like, hey, guess what the thing that you said that we should did? I should do it worked? Or like, hey, that didn't work. But I learned this other new thing. And then from when they share that the other people are learning it too. So it's, yeah, I see it more as like, you know, keeping the party going versus like being some all knowing.

Monique St Paul  
Yes, less impressed more involved. before? Yeah, like, before we move on to questions about you, is there any final thing that you would want to impress upon them in terms of the professional realm to need to know about Id work, or freelancing?

Andrea McEneaney  
Yeah, I would say, it's very helpful to just be constantly being self aware about how you're acting, how you are, in certain situations with clients and working like, kind of like checking yourself regularly. And it doesn't mean you got to be like, overly self conscious, but just like, Oh, we're getting your communication and figuring out how to word things clearly, and not overwhelming the client, but also giving them everything you need. So like, just being aware that every little not to make it sound intense, but like every little interaction that you have is building a relationship. And there are things you know, and figuring out your style of how you're comfortable with doing that and honing it because some people are not cool with texting, some people want to call people on the phone, some people want to email. It's it's figuring out how to adapt to different clients and what they want. But also, you know, knowing yourself and how you're going to do best in certain projects and accepting it. Also, I wish someone told me this a long time ago, like with any ID work, especially if it's like you're really diving into something that's like esoteric, and like the material, you're just like, oh my gosh, how will I ever No, this is walk away from it, like walk away from it. Don't force yourself to sit at your computer and struggle. Because if you can just walk away and then come back, you're probably going to do whatever it was like five times faster. Sure, I would never give myself permission to just kind of give up, give up for a second and go I just be like, I have to do this now. And then I'd be like six hours later and I'd have like one paragraph,

Monique St Paul  
then you could do it. Yeah, you can still do it away from your computer. Just because you've walked away from it doesn't mean you're not thinking about it.

Andrea McEneaney  
Exactly. You're still thinking about it. Yeah, totally. Okay, you professional figure outers, that's literally it. It's just like, IDs are just like very organized problem solvers. Like very organized problem solvers. Yeah.

Monique St Paul  
So on to you. How many pockets Do you have? At least one? At least one?

Andrea McEneaney  
Um, I have an ice cream cone one that my daughter took. But yeah, I got one. This is my main one is otter holding a thing. I'm a visitor and I didn't realize that I was but I am a fidget

Monique St Paul  
Oh, no, it's fine. So to your that I have a binder clip. Often binder clip I try not to use a pen because those click louder. This is quieter. But I totally understand that I'm

Andrea McEneaney  
realizing this makes noise more than I think it does. Like sometimes far away but

Monique St Paul  
I think if I didn't know you had it, I wouldn't have heard it. Does that make sense? All right. But last song you listened to

Andrea McEneaney  
oh this is ironic considering that we're like that I you know, Parker and I run like a freelance business community but there's a Dr. John song called everybody want to get rich right away. And it's not about it's obviously like a about how that's not the most important thing, but it's kind of funny that that's the title.

Monique St Paul  
Okay, excellent. Last thing you read, we noticed that the industry book

Andrea McEneaney  
is not an industry book. Well, it's currently reading count.

Monique St Paul  
currently reading does count. Can I see your message?

Andrea McEneaney  
Where is it? Um, it's, well, I'm about to read this.

Monique St Paul  
Okay, yes.

Andrea McEneaney  
And then this the house on the serial and Surly and see I can't say that word. That is what, that's what I'm reading now. It's like It's like Harry Potter ish, but I've only read about 10 pages, but seems pretty good. Okay, that fits

Monique St Paul  
with the witches that you mentioned before. And then one of our audience members wants to know, Are you a sander fan? Which is a fantasy author.

Andrea McEneaney  
I don't I don't know what that means. See, I say witches, but then I'm like, have I actually read it? If I'm reading about witches? You know what I ended up reading like Suzannah Lipscomb is like a historian that has stuff about witches.

Monique St Paul  
Yeah, they may have more information about that full person's name. Oh, wait for type. But okay, your favorite form of entertainment

Andrea McEneaney  
live music or trashy reality TV?

Monique St Paul  
Oh, excellent. The full name was Brandon Sanderson.

Andrea McEneaney  
I do not but I'm going to add it to my list. Okay,

Monique St Paul  
excellent. Look new things. Who do you fan girl?

Andrea McEneaney  
Oh god.

Monique St Paul  
Beside Matthew makhani

Andrea McEneaney  
Vincentian Opry out if you guys go look me as you're gonna make fun of me for the rest of my life. He was the bug in men and black. But he's since gone on to such critically acclaimed things as Law and Order Criminal Intent. And now he's actually like a really good like classically trained actor, but I don't know he's been my I've been standing Vincent and Aprio since I was like, nine, nine years old.

Monique St Paul  
So you are your own IMDB. What is your guilty pleasure that is PG related.

Andrea McEneaney  
Oh, okay. Yeah, I got to think about that. And then oh, Taco Bell. Hi. feel guilty about it. About It, probably. That that drink that was on Tik Tok at Starbucks, the Venti iced white mocha latte with extra caramel drizzle and vanilla sweet cream calm.

Monique St Paul  
Very specific. Could your partner best friend accurately describe what you do for a living?

Andrea McEneaney  
Yeah.

Monique St Paul  
Without a doubt,

Andrea McEneaney  
yeah.

Monique St Paul  
Okay. Excellent. I am no, I'm out of questions for now. But I want to give you the opportunity to sort of share any last thoughts about doing this?

Andrea McEneaney  
Oh, um, last thoughts? I don't know. I have watched for instance, enough real movies?

Monique St Paul  
I don't know. Yeah, no, that's fine.

Andrea McEneaney  
I mean, in terms of like, for to be real, in terms of like, being an ID and a freelancer, and all of that. It's like, I am I, what I always like to just tell people is like, don't be intimidated, it's gonna seem like you're gonna go, you should be intimidated. Because there's all these people that are like, doing stuff like this and being like, Oh, look at me talking about curriculum maps, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But like, you're probably doing or know about the things but you just don't know the names of them. Yeah, right. A lot of us. It's like jargon and stuff. But like, it's being at being a good idea. I feel like it's really about like having really good common sense. And being organized and being able to think logically through things. And that can kind of get you through most projects. Like of course, you need to learn how to put your shoes on before you get on your bike. I mean, you could ride your bike without shoes, but that's dangerous.

Monique St Paul  
debatable, I heard. I appreciate the calm confidence and just the willingness to share your experience. So Lisa, I don't know if you have anything additional the same. But if we don't come on just a moment. I will say thank you for your time, Andrea, I do appreciate it. If you aren't connected with her, please connect with her checkout ID lamps to see what she and Parker are up to. Other than that me and Lisa will let you know when our next episode is but thanks for coming so much and have a fantastic day. Yeah, thank you, everyone. You're awesome. Andrea had been scared to go on mute over here the

Andrea McEneaney  
whole Oh, good. Oh, good. Have a good one, everyone. See ya.

Monique St Paul  
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