Life After Teaching: There’s More to L&D Than ID with Kim Scott

Luis Malbas  
Well hello, everybody welcome back to the training learning and development communities event transitioning to l&d Hope you're enjoying the the event so far. I think the sessions yesterday and today have been absolutely fabulous. And we have another one for you this afternoon that I think is going to be great. I'm really excited, actually to to listen to Kim Scott's session today. I'm going to just read off a little bio that I have for Kim Kim, do I click camera Kimberly?

Kim Scott  
Prefer Kim but I'm finally here.

Luis Malbas  
All right, well, Kim Scott began her career in K through 12. As a social studies teacher, she moved into the role of an educational technologist where she facilitated system wide technology training, and during your time on edge of higher education says she strategically coordinated the integration of technology into college courses. As a current instructional designer Kim successfully spearheads an international group of over 50 instructional designers and trainers in developing interactive courses. Kim also owns a learning and development consulting firm K Scott learning consultants, K SLC. And CAS LC offers customized services that range from LMS administration to instructional design and training to learning strategies and solutions. So Kim, I'm gonna go ahead and hide myself and let you take it away life after teaching. There's more to l&d and ID that Id looking forward to it.

Kim Scott  
All right, thank you, Louise. This is a subject I'm very excited about very passionate about. I actually transition from K through 12, teaching about 10 years ago. So this was pre pandemic, pre a lot of resources and academies that were available to people. I've seen a lot of teachers reach out to me and say, Kim, I want out of the classroom, how did you leave the classroom? I want to do anything. And I said, Well, what do you want to do? I don't know. And then some of them hear about instructional design. Oh, what's that, and they think it's the only choice. Now it is a great choice, it is a great choice. But there's a lot more out there. And so my goal today is kind of to expose you to some of the other options now in l&d, there are lots of options. So I can't possibly cover all of them today. But I want to cover some of the major roles. And some of them that I've thought about that are strategic for teachers, that teachers may have qualities, skills, knowledge that are transferable, and don't necessarily require them to do additional upscaling. So with that, I'm going to share my screen.

And we're going to jump right into it. So today we're going to talk about there's more to l&d than Addie, many of you already know about instructional design, in very simplistic terms. And of course, it's more complicated than this. It's creating learning and training resources. This could be in K through 12. It could be in higher ed, it could be in corporate America government nonprofit, but there's a lot more that l&d has to offer the net. So today, we're going to talk about some of those from curriculum development to LMS administration and everything in between, we're going to talk about those roles that can utilize your skill sets within your next thriving career. Um, so what are you going to get out of this session, we're going to talk about some of the other other roles that may utilize your knowledge and skills, and talk about what skills may be needed in those positions. I do want to point out, we're going to talk about roles and categories, but not specific times. So for just the role of instructional designer, you may meet 20 instructional designers, and all 20 of them have different titles, they could be a senior learning content manager, learning architect, technical learning analyst, that's a role that I've had, they can have a lot of different titles, and a lot of titles depend on the company. But essentially all of them have the same role instructional designer. So today, I'm going to talk about it at the role level, but at specific companies, you may see various titles. So that's what we'll just focus on the role. So a little bit about myself. Apart from the introduction, I spent eight years as a middle and high school teacher I taught social studies and my students thought Social Studies was boring. So what I had to do was I kind of had to liven up my teaching my curricula by using a lot of educational techniques. Knology I had to design a lot of my own resources. And in that way I didn't realize I was in my early career as an educational technologist and also an instructional designer. I also transitioned out of the classroom into an ed tech slash IB role. I did that in K through 12, for two years, and in higher ed for three. And for the last four plus years, I've worked in corporate America as an international instructional designer. And for the last year and a half, I have started my own business, or I like as I like to say, my business kind of started me, and I've run a learning and development firm. So it does a little bit of instructional design, but also much more.

So let's happen to our first role. This is a world that I absolutely love. And people tend to ask me about the learning management system administrator. So what does an LMS administrator do, they're responsible for maintaining developing an institutional learning management system. Now Learning Management System is an online system for hosting courses you may have heard of Blackboard, Moodle, Canvas, success factors, workday, talent, these are all elements. And a very simplistic role of an LMS is just an online website where you can users can log on, they can take courses, these can be self paced courses, they can be virtual instructor led courses, similar to what you're attending today. And so an example is somebody who said some courses in somewhere like Canvas, or somebody who might add functionality to something like Moodle, to make sure all that the students or all of the employees within an organization can actually take courses. Now let's talk about the transferable skills. So what does a teacher already possess a skill set that they may possess that may be helpful to them as an LMS? Administrator, well, what is curriculum development? So in LMS, is an LMS admin may have many courses, and they may have to determine what's the best way to categorize those courses. If students must progress through a curriculum in order to graduate or employees may need to progress through a curriculum to be certified, the LMS administrator would need to set that curriculum up. So being a teacher and having that skill set is really, really powerful. Also, of course, development. Well, a lot of teachers have to create their own resources. Now I know a lot of people outside the teaching thing, that teachers just sit at a desk, and they read out of a book. And that's it. But someone like me, who taught social studies, there weren't a lot of resources out there. And some of the resources just weren't that good. So I had to learn to create my own activities, create my own lesson plans, sometimes create my own assessments. These are pieces of the puzzle that put together course development. So those types of skills will help an LMS administrator know what activities would go into a course in an LMS. If you're that techie teacher, if you're that teacher, when I was teaching, I had teachers that were coming to me and say, This guy, how do you insert a picture in a PowerPoint? How do you attach things? How do you do this? If you're that tech savvy teacher, this is definitely a good one for you. Not saying you have to have a degree in it or be super technical techie. But you will have to do problem solving, which is my next point on sometimes, being an LMS administrator is less about the task and more about you thinking strategically, you may have an instructional designer that comes to you and says, Hey, we want employees to be able to do this within an LMS. We might want to start using gamification, badging, what's the best way to do that within an LMS? What's the best way for badging and certifications to work together? So teachers saw problems all day long. You saw student problems, you solve your own, sometimes you solve administrative problems. These are really great as an LMS. Administrator. So how do you know if this is a good fit for you, if you enjoy things like problem solving, if you want to work with instructional designers, but maybe you don't want to be an instructional designer, you may not actually want to develop the courses, but work with people that do. If you like, seeing how all courses work together, the big picture working with online systems, this may be a good fit for you.

That we're going to jump into our next topic. Another topic that I'm passionate about educational technologist. Now, what do they do? They help faculty, staff and staff learn to effectively use technology within the curriculum. on the faculty side, you may assist a teacher, let's say a science teacher, were using online labs, or how to have their students make cartoon strips about the scientific process. on the staff side, you may help them utilize Google Sheets or Google Docs, to aggregate assessment data, create a tutoring log. Now it take is primarily in K through 12, or higher education, you won't see too many in corporate America, you will see edtech companies, but usually educational technologies don't work in corporate America. So some examples would be and this is what I did at the K through 12. Level is working at the district level, I had multiple schools, and the schools had a different day, maybe each week that I would go in, and I would show teachers how to use clickers. How does it make their job more efficient? And how does it give them that assessment data to give back to their students faster? There may be district vote software, and the teachers have it but have no clue. Like how does this help me do my job? How does it impact student learning? You are that key that goes in and helps the teachers and even the administrators learn about the power of that software hardware, and higher ed, you may work strategically with instructional designers, as well as professors to help them understand what's in the LMS. What tools can we add to it besides the LMS? What all is available? Do we need a lecture capture system? So you can really recommend that the college purchase things, help them understand how to utilize it and get more return on their investment. All right. So what are some transferable skills for educational technologists, the number one is teaching experience. I tell teachers all the time, they want to go into IB and they want to go to academies or they want to get master's degrees. Nothing wrong with it. When usually there is some amount of upskilling that needs to be done for a teacher coming straight out the classroom. I went straight from the classroom in May into an edtech job in July when I new fiscal year began no upskilling. Because I was already that techie teacher. And actually the my teaching experience was looked at as a plus. Because I knew what the teachers were looking for. I knew what they needed to do differently district level stuff where I was already utilizing it. And now I really had the time to focus on helping those teachers use it, even going into the classroom and showing it to their students. It involves a lot of creative problem solving. So looking at a piece of software, a piece of hardware, whatever the technology is, and seeing how can this music teacher use it? What? How can the writing students benefit from this technology? Of course, technology integration standards correlation? We don't want to just talk about cool tech tools. That's all well and fine, but how does it help us align to the standards? How does it help us with intercourse tests? Also activity creation. So how do you know if this is a good fit for you? Well, if you like to use technology in your classroom, if you're that teacher that's always keeping up to date on the newest tech tool, it puzzle videos, get your teachers are your students in my day was in the computer lab, but now a lot of schools are now one to one. So if you've always get your students on their laptops, or devices or iPads, trying this new app with an activity might be good for you. Also, if you're their teacher, as I said in my example where other teachers are going to or you're already always trying to tell them, Don't give out worksheets. Here's a better way to do that this might be a good fit for you. All right, curriculum development. So curriculum developers create curriculum for organizations, including course outlines, order of courses supporting activities. Now, in K through 12, you'll see a lot of curriculum developers, some of them work at the district level. What does that look like in corporate America? Well in corporate America, that they may actually hire curriculum developers who may help instructional designers or even LMS administrators outline the courses and in what older employees need to complete that.

Some of the teacher skills that are useful as a curriculum developer again, teacher experience, course development, activity, current creation, and aligning courses to standards. So in corporate America, that may look like aligning courses to best practices, or even business goals tiny to strategic business goals. So in order to master Are this customer service objective, we need our customer service reps to take these courses. Here's some courses that are optional. Here's some courses that if you want to level two certification you tank, so very transferable to corporate America, this might be a good fit for you, if you enjoy seeing the big picture, you like looking at it at a macro level, looking across our courses, and working with whole programs. So maybe you don't enjoy individual activity creation, you might want to outline the courses. And you might want to be that at that macro level that actually sets the tone and the template for which everyone else will find training facilitation. Okay, what the training facilitators do so trainers facilitate in person or virtual live sessions, such as what I'm doing today, teachers do this every single day, you stand up in front of a room of 2530, sometimes 40 Different students, and you teach them content, a training facilitator stands up in front of a room of adults, students in an organization, and you train them to have specific area of content. Okay. One fact that I'd like to clarify is you don't need to be a subject matter expert, because sometimes you have to, you have instructional designers who create the materials and you're just facilitating it. Now, you do want to be well versed in the material. But some certain trainers have never been in the subject area. For instance, I've had to facilitate some sessions on safety and it's bestest courses. I've never had to work with this business. But I did have a content subject matter expert get provided the material. And then I just outline the session the activities. Some examples include a leadership development trainer or software systems trainer, you don't necessarily have to be a software developer to facilitate training on how to use the software. So what are some of those transferable skills? Again, you're a teacher, you stand up in front of the room in front of people every single day. So you're comfortable at the front of the room, sharing knowledge sharing examples, you're good at keeping learners attention. Now, let me tell you a little secret. Keeping a room full of six year olds, a room full of attention for 16 year olds and 66 year old aren't always that different. So if you can keep a learner's attention, you can usually do that at any level, you can read the rules, you can determine if learners are confused if you need to break it down more, which takes me to my next point, you're good at adapting materials, you're good at figuring out okay, this is a newer learner, this learner is more advanced, I may need to tweak the content or my facilitation to meet the needs of my learners. And of course, this is good for you. If you like to help people learn something, you're always trying to show people something, break it down for them. You love seeing that light bulb go off in somebody's eyes, the aha moment you like helping others and breaking down the content into good sizable pieces. training facilitators good for you also standing in the front of the room and leading someone in their quest for knowledge. All right, here's another one technical writing technical writers analyze very complex information. So sometimes you see this in the science field with scientists, where they have very strong content that's known to people in that subject area, but you have business people, you have customers, you have others that need to understand that information. So you would work with those subject matter experts and help break that information down. That's easier to understand. If you also may work with people who are newer in that field to help them understand that. Um, this might be sort of, for example, someone who works at a law firm and breaks down contract law or their processes for working with clients. Somebody who may create a graphic organizer or

a learner's workbook for people in the science field who are coming into those roles. Some of the transferable skills is you're very good at written communication. So I'm thinking those English teachers, maybe even the drama teachers write a lot. This may be a good fit for you if you're good at adapting content, okay, so you can read this big thick content or this content is really complex and make it really, really simple. So kind of explain it to me on the third grade level, if you're good at doing that, this may be a great fit for you. Okay, if you enjoy writing, you write in your free time you journal, you prefer written communication, it might be a good fit for you, if you're good at breaking things down. Also, it may be a good fit for you, if you're good at collaborating with sneeze because people in this industry, again, you're not expected to be the expert, you're just expected to break the experts information down into sad small pieces. So if you're really good at working with smase, working with others, being the go between between two groups, this may be a good fit for you. Right, another one is learning project manager. So project managers are seeing in all kinds of fields they're seeing in the construction field, the ad T field all over what's a learning project manager? Well, they help track the success of learning projects. So one of the things some of the things that they may do, they may manage a training budget, how much should we spend on software, hardware professional development, oh, when should these courses be implemented, you may also schedule training, I'm going to schedule trainer number A in room 123. And they're going to teach this course four times in a day. Okay? These are good examples of learning project managers, they usually do not create content, they usually don't actually facilitate, they just support the trainers, the instructional designers, the LMS administrators, and coordinate and organize things for them. In some URLs, you can also see people who are instructional designers, and learning project managers. Um, if skills that are really helpful for a learning project manager is if you're good at managing multiple classes at a time. So think of an elementary school teacher, you got one group of students, but you're teaching them four different five different subjects in a day, you're balancing multiple classes, and figuring out when the curriculum should be, which students are excelling, which students need remediation, you're balancing, that is something that you've learned and project manager does if you taught high school like I did. And you have three different preps, you teach US history, world history, and African American history, and you have to balance the curriculum of all of them. You could be a learning project manager, if you work with low budgets. Now, I don't know about y'all I tell public school. And we didn't make a lot of money, nor were we given a lot of money. So teachers had to work with the tools that they were given. So you're used to working with low budgets, okay. You can you can work as a learning project manager, a lot of times your budgets will be bigger. Some places like nonprofits might have smaller budgets. But you can work with the budget, you can figure out what the gaps are, you can find free trials. Or sometimes you can use your negotiating skills to get more bang for your buck, if you are good at keeping others on task. Now I don't know a teacher in this world hasn't had to keep students on task. So if you could easily help keep the instructional designers on task up make sure tasks get done, according to a timeline. So again, if you're good at balancing multiple projects, multiple subject areas, maybe you're a teacher, and you're a coach, and you were on the admin team, that's balancing multiple projects. If you're good at creating timelines, and low funneling the district level, or state level curriculum, making sure you teach that standards, that's about following a timeline, balancing budgets, and again, collaborating with teammates. So if you were maybe a department chair, or you lead professional development for your subject area across the district, you're collaborating with teammates, so you can easily bring that into learning project management by working with the instructional designers, the LMS administrator, the curriculum developers to make sure all parts of the project are implemented with success.

So um, that's all I have for our major roles today. I definitely want you to connect with me here in air beat. All of this information should be available in my bio, please feel free to visit my company's website which is K Scott learning.com. Also, feel free to connect with me not just follow me connect with me on LinkedIn. That way you can see my content and we can learn from each other and On LinkedIn, I am Kimberly Scott 05. And on Facebook, feel free to follow my business which is K Scott learning. Thank you so much. I'm Luis, do we want to take the chance?

Luis Malbas  
Okay, wow, this is weird. Sorry, my video is not switching to my correct camera. Of course I'm the one having problems. Okay. Hold on. Saving it one more time? No, that doesn't seem to be working. Ah, interesting. Okay, well, it's okay. You don't have to. No one has to see me right now. I'm looking to see if there any questions in, in the in the chat area. You know, Kim, that was wonderful. Like you listed all of these different things. I mean, even I hadn't really ever broken that down before. And I think, you know, like the way that like, I think Rick was talking about, sometimes a lot of people are actually looking for that unicorn that kind of does almost, you know, a lot of those things all at once, which can be really, really, really difficult. But I liked the fact that you broke those out, and that there are opportunities to be able to find roles in l&d that are separate from just a straight instructional designer.

Kim Scott  
Yeah, and I think there are a lot of things. Teachers don't necessarily think about how their skill set transfers, and they think I need to go back and get another degree because they are educators. But a lot of times there are skill sets that you can utilize. Like I said, I stepped out of teaching and right into tech. And I know not all companies are like this. But sometimes you do have companies when instructional designer other fields like well, teachers don't have the skill set for this. But in edtech, you absolutely you almost need to have teaching experience because you don't really understand what the teachers pain points are, what their needs are, what the student needs are, unless you've been in the classroom.

Luis Malbas  
What was the most difficult part of your transition from from from being a teacher into, into l&d?

Kim Scott  
I think the mindset change, I do think my transition probably was easier because I stay within the same school district. And I stay within K through 12. So it was a gradual move to corporate America and not a sudden move. So when I went from the classroom to the district level, I was at least within my comfort zone and worked within schools within that district, I taken classes in the IT department where I was house, so at least somewhat familiar, but I had to think, big picture instead of just small classroom, there was no mold for us, either. So I had to figure out what worked. So answering the teachers pain points was a big thing. Sometimes the teachers weren't taking, but they wanted to be. So I solved that problem by going in and saying, Hey, how about co teach with you out, you teach the students the content, I'll teach them how to use the technology part, you'll watch that for one classroom, and then we'll switch the next class period to teach them content and the technology, but I'll hang around and kind of assist you into your confidence. Um, so yeah, kind of figuring out what worked within my district and just gradually switching. It was definitely a big switch with corporate America with figuring out what was different there, what were their needs and their pain points, but I think a lot of it is mindset change. If I could go back and do it differently. I probably would have gotten a mentor and just talk to people that had done it and see if they could give me some of their tips and some of their trips,

Luis Malbas  
right? Yeah, no Raquel is mentioning that, you know, thank you for saying this mindset has been the most difficult transition for for her as well. Yeah, that is that is a really important point. Let me just take a look here. Yeah, I'm not seeing that there's any other QA but I just love this I this is even one that I think I would go back through and and watch the recording just because there's just some really really helpful information and and and I do love how it's been divided out into these other roles within within learning and development. And you know, and I've been in this space for almost 20 years and I know that I've seen this particular industry just changed so much I saw it even pre smartphone you know, like back Back in the early 2000s, and how that had a massive impact on everything. And now you know, people, some people are saying that moving into, you know, the metaverse, and all of that is going to change it again, like just different things. But you know, it is constantly sort of shifting and changing with technology and all these different things. So there are other levels of learning and development that could open up and other parts of it that might start to sort of diminish as well. But this is an excellent breakdown. Kim, thank you so much for doing this.

Kim Scott  
Oh, no, you're very welcome. If I had to give any other advice to teachers, I would I think it would be to start with one. What do you want to do? And why do you want to leave, so let's make sure we're not leaving. We're not jumping from the frying pan into the fire, as my mother used to say. So you don't want to leave because you know, certain conditions, and you might go to a job in corporate America and find out those, you know, conditions are still there. So let's honestly look at it. Also, think about your skill set. As I've kind of said here, what do you possess outside of teaching? What kind of skill sets do you have, that you could do in another job, and I think a lot of teachers think, Well, all I can do is teach. But what I tried to illustrate a little bit here is that you have other skill sets, if you're good at writing, and you enjoy writing, technical writing is a good thing. If you're that techie teacher, you're always doing something on a computer, you could go into LMS administration, you can go into ed tech, you, let's say you're a music teacher, you may want to work for a music company, creating a K through 12. You know, curriculum, there's just a lot that you can do. But don't think of it as I have teaching experience. Think about it at the skill level. Think about it at the knowledge level. There are a lot of teachers, let's say science teachers that might have lab experience, and they don't realize it, and that may be something completely outside of l&d that they qualify for, but really start with what is my skill set? What is my content knowledge area, and then what skill sets go into that? Also, think about what you enjoy, because again, we wouldn't want anybody to jump from the frying frying pan into the fire, you want to think about what would you enjoy doing? What would you like, what's the best fit for you, and then figure that out. Because I have heard of some people, you know, transitioning into Addie and spending a lot of time and then figuring out it wasn't for them. And I think they missed that first step, which was their skill and knowledge assessment to figure out what they could do what they're good at, think about asking other people what you're good at, and then figuring out the best match from them and moving in that direction.

Luis Malbas  
Nice. Is there. Now I have a couple more questions for you. But um, what do you say about somebody? You know, if would it how beneficial? Would it be to really like try to develop more than one skill set? Or? And would it be a really? Are there any negative things about trying to trying to do more than than one or two things? Or? Or is that worthwhile to sort of chase after?

Kim Scott  
I think it can be it depends on how it's done, because certain things are related skill sets. So for instance, I do instructional design, and I do LMS administration, they kind of work hand in hand, especially if the courses we're developing like elearning courses are going to go into an LMS. Those are related fields. I know some people who do graphic design, and instructional design, those are related fields, because when you create the training materials, you want to make sure they're aesthetically pleasing, and that they show the content visually in an easy to understand way, I think if they're totally unrelated skill sets is where you can get into a headache, because you may have to network with two different big groups of people, you may have to upscale in totally different circles, which may be overwhelming. So if it's relatable, I think that's good. If it's totally separate, you might want to pick a path, and then start that way first, and then move on to the other path or see, is there a way to integrate them together?

Luis Malbas  
Right, right. And Laurie is asking good question here. Laura has been focusing on corporate training roles. And most of the l&d things that she's finding on LinkedIn are geared more towards instructional design. Are there specific resources for corporate trainers, which is really interesting, because I have I remember meeting corporate trainers that had no clue what instructional design was, and when I started talking to them about it, really, really nervous

Kim Scott  
Yeah, exactly. You know, I don't know that there is, I don't know if a TD may have some resources that are specific to them. I know ATD sometimes has free ones, sometimes they may have paid ones. I'm not a member, so I can't speak to the validity of them. That may be one thing that may you may check out, I will say this, this opportunity to speak here, and this presentation topic has gotten me really excited. So it kind of the catalyst to start some LinkedIn posts. I do want to post more about these things, talk more about these things. And see, like you said, what's out there? Are there resources to upscale educational technologists or corporate trainers, or their networking groups for these individuals? Um, you know, where can somebody find out more information? So again, they can start seeing that there's more out there than lnd. Laurie, I guess another resource that you can try? I'm trying networking, and asking, you know, who are corporate trainers? And then as some corporate trainers, are there online PDS that you go to? Are there in person professional developments that you go to? Where do you go when you want to learn more? Where do you go when you want to upskill? And kind of keep you some notes and see where these people are? I think when you network more, you may start to find with some of these niche groups that there may be things out there. It's just not how we publicized.

Luis Malbas  
Right, right. And it's, it's strange, the corporate trainers, I feel like tend to come from almost like sales enablement, backgrounds, or you know, that business development, that type of thing. But the better ones that I've met have had experience in l&d. And so it's still really good to have like some working knowledge of instructional design. But see, Michelle, what has a question here? How, how to get an interview without the corporate experience? Are there specific companies, or fields beyond edtech that are more open to hiring transitioning teachers?

Kim Scott  
I think that there are I think it's about marketing your skill set. So if you have more of a teacher resume, or you talk about everything in teaching terms, they may not be able to see the correlation. And you kind of have to sell yourself to them and show them, hey, I can do more more than just teach because outside of K through 12, a lot of people imagine teachers, this is what they think you're you weren't. We're kindergarteners and first graders, and you crawl on the carpet and help teach them how to color and eat snacks. And, you know, I've had people tell me things like that. And I said, Well, I taught 20 old high school students, you know, and I taught them high level, sometimes AP courses, and I taught them how most college level courses or sometimes I did teach dual enrollment courses. So everybody's not just teaching somebody how to color or just, you know, stay in between the lines. So I think you have to really sell yourself to accompany on how your skill set matches what their needs are. I also think, again, ng for roles where they are looking for skill sets that you have within the classroom, the training facilitation, the Ed Tech, and be able to show them some examples. One thing I loved about getting into l&d or instructional design, is that there's a high emphasis on the portfolio. Um, but I think sometimes outside of instructional design people don't think is necessary, why pieces of my portfolio that have elements administration, so and it has gotten me clients, it has gotten me jobs, because I was able to show them look in Moodle. Look how I designed the course it isn't just a white website with a black background, I visually designed this course where it was beautiful content was well laid out in line to the curriculum. So being able to show them prove that you can do something besides create a lesson plan will be very, very helpful.

Luis Malbas  
Um, let's see and this question, well, I'm just curious, Kim, is there a particular skill set that you think is more are higher in demand than others within l&d?

Kim Scott  
I'm not seeing a ton of LMS administrators I know they're actually started a Facebook group and it's called LMS admin support. And I started that group because there were all kinds of groups for Moodle canvas, different platforms, but not one group where you could talk about all the platforms, I am seeing an uptick in people that need LMS administrator writers or even they want an instructional designer who knows LMS administration, at least some of it, and that they're good, because a lot of LMS that means sometimes our IT people, and they don't know anything about laying out a curriculum, they don't know anything about course development and what you know, activities and instructional designer may need within the elements. So I think that's a great opportunity that I'm seeing a lot more in demand. Also, because a lot of people want online courses. And it's not just companies, but even individuals. I'm seeing people for instance, this can be somebody who owns their own accounting business. And now they want to sell accounting courses to people to show them how to do their own taxes. And so if you have LMS administration experience, you may help them set up their courses on talent, LMS, or teachable, or some of those and help them get the content in there. So I definitely think that is something that's in great demand. Another thing is visual designers, I won't say that's a specific role. The people always hire, but if you've got an eye for design, if you've had graphic design experience, if you have art experience, anything that leads you to make things visually pleasing, a lot of Heck, I probably want to hire you because that's something I'm upscaling on. So a lot of people want to subcontract. A lot of people want to hire you. Because that visual aspect is a powerful aspect. So I think that's definitely a growth opportunity to

Luis Malbas  
ya know, I've definitely seen that with for a UI, you know, user interface or UX user experience sort of skills within l&d that is that can be very highly sought after. And so let's say add one more question in the QA area, where Amber's wondering about your link to your presentation? Is that possible? Or should they just come back to the recording to take a look?

Kim Scott  
Oh, absolutely, I'd be happy to share it. I will say, do follow me on LinkedIn, because like I said, this has kind of given me some ideas beyond what I, you know, can talk about in this one hour. So here soon, I do want to, you know, share some information. So for instance, within a tech, there is a gentleman, his name escapes me for the for the moment, but only the he shares a lot of ad tech jobs. So I may post about a tech skill sets, you need to get into that. And I may share his information. I also may share some more expanded examples, or some information from people who's transitioned over. So definitely do that, because I'll share the presentation there. And I'll probably send a link in the chat to anyone who actually wants to see the presentation.

Luis Malbas  
Great, great. And I will, air may air meet has an option where I can have a resource page that I can share with everybody who's registered for the event. It's in beta. So they actually haven't activated it for me yet. I'm waiting. I just found out about it earlier this week. So hopefully, by tomorrow, it'll be there. And then like Karen North's presentation, and anybody else that is interested in sharing whatever they have, I'll have it posted on that resource page. Let's see. And then we're cow last question. Came you looking for any, any mentees? Do you mentor at all?

Kim Scott  
I do. It's really grown in the last two years, I have a lot of people reach out to me, they're usually they're usually I usually have black or African American people or women. Those are usually the two groups because you know, I'm African American, and I'm a woman. So I usually have those two groups that reach out. I'm sure I will just say. I tell a lot of people, my intentions are good, but my mind is bad. So if you reach out to me, I may forget. So if it's been a week, you may have to reach back out. I do ask that you kind of know what you're looking for. Because I have some people saying, Oh, can I set up a coffee chat? You have to do it according to my availability, which is sometimes slam. But when we talk, I don't think they necessarily know what it is they want to ask. So happy to you know, work with people. But think about what it is that you hope to get out of the conversation what it is that you hope to ask, is there anything that I might no need to, you know, take a look at beforehand that may help you. But certainly, if I can help you if I can't, maybe I'll point you in the direction of somebody who can so feel free to connect with me and reach out.

Luis Malbas  
All right, well, Kim, I just posted your LinkedIn URL in the chat. So you know anybody that wants to connect like to go there. And with that, I'm going to go ahead and close things out. But I want to remind everybody, we have three more days of this. So tomorrow, if you want to come back at 8am Pacific 11 Eastern, I've got Sarah stebic coming. And she is absolutely amazing about helping teachers transition. She has an entire website and business associated with it. She's going to be starting out the day. We also have Matt Wozniak talking about l&d culture. And then Devin Torres talking about impostor syndrome. So tomorrow is going to be wonderful. Lots of virtual table discussions available as well. And with that, Kim, thank you so much. That was great presentation. Really appreciate you sharing with with the with the community. Thank you for having me. All right. Thanks, everybody. We'll see you tomorrow.

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